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20mph speed limit to be introduced on all non-major residential roads in Manchester

A speed limit of just 20mph is set to be introduced in all non-major residential roads in Manchester.

The plan has received cross-party backing among city councillors – and town hall bosses will now draw up detailed proposals, saying it will help cut accidents.

The idea was proposed by the Liberal Democrats opposition and backed by the ruling Labour group.

It also called for a public information campaign on the 20mph zones, which are already in place outside many schools and some residential routes.

Victor Chamberlain, the Lib Dem councillor who put forward the motion, said: “Manchester has one of the worst records for road safety in the country. There are far too many needless deaths and while I support the fact the council has made steps to tackle this issue more still needs to be done.

“‘Twenty’s Plenty’ will have a significant impact on reducing the number of deaths and severity of accidents. It will also have a really positive impact on making roads more accessible, reducing pollution and encouraging people to walk and cycle.

“My constituents in Chorlton regularly tell me they want to see these limits in place. It’s fantastic that both Liberal Democrats and Labour councillors recognise the need for this.”

In 2010, 166 people were killed or seriously injured on Manchester's roads.

Coun Paul Andrews, executive member for neighbourhood services, revealed earlier this week that he would be calling for a meeting with transport minister Norman Baker to see how the government could support the idea.

He said: “We’ve been trying to push this for a long time in appropriate residential roads and we are happy to support the Lib Dem motion.”

Coun Andrews said he would be keen to have the new limits in place by May.

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Hmm, paint a symbol with 20 ?

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Punish the idiot drivers, not those who can drive, who anticapte a need to reduce speed and do so.

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Make the speed limit 4mph, same as walking pace, ( except for public transport ), that'll get people out of their cars.

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How will this help when people will simply ignore it. There is a 20 mph limit on the road near me it is about 1 mile long, with one speed camera. Probably about 1 in 300 people stick to the limit. I can regulary follow a car on this road sometimes at 40 to 50 mph!!! So how will the council enforce this policy. Quite simply it cannot and people will not stick to the limit.

They would be better put 20mph speed limits near to schools and parks and putting up speed cameras there instead. They should also make it during certain times only ie: 7am to 10am and 3pm to 5pm during school hours and 7am to 6pm for parks during school holidays.

People will just ignore the new limits and there simply isn't quite enough police to enforce every speed limit zone. Stop wasting time council and sort out other issues.

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Better still stop idiot driers.

How about at the end of Water Street people didn't get in the right turn only lane to go left so as to avoid a short queue?

How about when turning right at the main roundabout on Mancunain Way people don't use the left turn only lane then swing in once on the roundabout to take the third exit?

How about buses constantly running red lights in the city centre even when the green man is on for pedestrians to cross?

How about having free flowing traffic in the city centre so people don't shoot down the inside lanes and nip in at the box junctions(as they are now doing near Sainsbury's on Deansgate due to the council's new 'measures' i.e. blocking off a lane).

I knowe that this one is Salford Council but I drove down passed Salford Uni last week, my word what have the done. I was side bu side next to a bus and the road is now a slalom with tight turns and sudden huge pavements jutting out. Id thsi was a country road on the Cat and Fiddle there would be warning signs stating it was a hazardous road but to think that a Council has actually designed a road in this way is an accident waiting to happen and if it was me (and the bus next to me understandably encroached greatly into my lane as the turns were so tight) in an accident I would sue teh Council.

How to make drivers slow down? Oh I know lets turn te road into a dangerous one full of hazards/ Yes, great idead.

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An awareness campaign, road markings, road signs. All from the Council that's supposed to be saving money. Will they ever learn ?

The roads would be a bit safer if more uninsured drivers were taken off them (also relatively high in Manchester - coincidence ?).

Roads outside schools could be made safer by enforcing the parking restrictions. It's okay to park on the yellow or zig-zag lines if you've got your hazard lights on, apparently.

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Be nice if pedestrians were made to take more responsibility for their actions too though, many people just walk out in front of cars assuming arrogantly that they'll stop for them. Also ban pedestrians from using their mobile phones whilst walking - I've had people walk into the side of my car, knocking my wing mirror, because they weren't paying attention...
What happened to the old "stop, look and listen " campaigns?

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20 MPH speed limit? You having a laugh? Hardly anyone follows the rules regardless. I drive everyday through roads in and around Manchester and often even see lolipop ladies guarding roads while using pedestrian crossing, why are they being paid to work they aren't needed? These people should be used where there isn't any crossings? Personally I think 20 is plenty, but Manchester City Council go and do it again...IDIOTIC changes. Similar to the chargeable parking even on Sunday's...that doesn't help the local economy does it, putting business rates up, there's nowt like discouraging shoppers and making it harder for businesses is there? Well done MCC, you've done it again. Definately proving yourselves not to be a 'peoples council'. Pfft

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Depending on what they consider to be 'non major residential road' it's not the worst idea in the world.

Though this: “My constituents in Chorlton regularly tell me they want to see these limits in place..”

is absolute baloney. What Chamberlain does is say things like that & hope that people agree with him. Labour members of the council want to lift the paving slabs on my road & replace them with tarmac.

He sent a leaflet around along the lines of 'Labour want to steal your paving slabs & replace them with ugly tarmac - Chorlton residents are opposed to this'

How many residents had he actually asked about this? Precisely none. And if he'd walked down the road he'd know how awkward these slabs are especially when you're pushing a wheelchair or a pram. But the only time he's ever walked down it in all the time I've lived there was during the run up to the last general election (when he wasn't a councillor) & what did he do? He rang my doorbell & broke it!

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How much will all the road signage cost? - and who'll pay for it?

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I think this is a good idea - with all the road clutter, trees, parked cars and other distractions it can be hard to know what the limit is.
If everyone knows the limit in manchester is 20mph then most will stick to it and it will be easier to enforce for police - who while focussing on high traffic and high risk areas will also be able to stop people on other routes as and when

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So how will they enforce this 20 MPH speed limit then....?
Police cars are not capable of corroborating a police officers view that somebody is speeding as they are calibrated at 30 MPH.
The police don't generally enforce speed limits any more and I expect the council owned and run equipment isn't calibrated for 20MPH enforcement either.....!!!?

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It will help to save lives so I am all for it, also it will help to save petrol as well let us hope that the police and traffic depts have the manpower to enforce the legislation?

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20's plenty has been introduced to other city's in England e.g Southampton and Cambridge and it works very well.

30mph was introduced in the 1930's when there was much less traffic on the roads and has never been altered.

Once the new limit has been introduced your mindset will adjust.

It's been proven conclusively that the incidence of death by having a 20mph limit is reduced dramatically.

You can never stop all the population from breaking the law and these people who say they drive at 40/50mph in a residential area should be banned for good.

Incidentally, isn't Manchester the city that leads with others following? At least that's how it used to be.

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Basically unenforceable. Everyone will still go 30. But how much will this cost to sign? The roads are shocking as it is. Why not fix the roads instead of messing about imposing daft rules nobody will pay a blind bit of attention to?

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Why not a scheme to reduce the amount of road clutter on our roads and the introduction of European/US overhead traffic light systems. A stop to illegal parking on the corner of every junction in the city, twin lane roads such as the A6 reduced to one due to parking in the inside lane… but please, don't take this as a request to cut more trees down!

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Signs won't stop habitual speeders - speed bumps and a camera will. A primary school, park entrance/exit and two blocks of over 65s flats on my road and it's like Brands Hatch sometimes - the sooner the better.

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Stop penalising the motorist and bring back the green cross code campaign in schools, no matter what speed limit you put in place it will not account for the lack of awareness of the pedestrian these days, walking around wearing ipods, mobile phones, seeming to have no idea of how to use a pedestrian / zebra crossing.

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i think this is a very positive step in the right direction ... for too long car drivers have had the upper hand this move will reduce the risk to pedestrians ..

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Drawback being that kids will get used to 20 on minor roads and be even worse at estimating speeds of approaching vehicles. Generally a good idea though it saves kids lives.

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You know why there are so many deaths on our roads? It has nothing to do with speed, it's a combination of bad drivers (particulary car drivers and cyclists) and pedestrians who don't know how to cross a road. Try raising the standard of these two issues and watch the death/accident toll plummet.

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I disagree with decreasing the speed limit. I would rather more crossing points were available and bring in the offence of "Jay Walking" to the UK. If pedestrians fully paid attention to what they were doing when crossing roads and did so in a safe manner or always used crossings the incident of injury and death would be dramatically reduced!

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More revenue for the government in speeding fines

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I don't quite see the point in making all non residential roads 20 mph zones.
I know there are safety concerns on roads where there are schools, so why don't the council concentrate on this, rather than waste loads of money on road markings and signs.
One simple (and cheaper) solution, would be to restrict all vehicles from using roads leading to a school at specific times during the day :ie school opening and closing times.

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Sounds a great little earner this one. I can see all the regions speed cameras being deployed to the Peoples' Republic of Manchester to take advantage of all those "lunatics'" driving along at a now illegal 22mph. Lovely Jubbly.

Meanwhile the real idiots, untaxed, uninsured, unlicenced will carry on as normal.

You lot have voted these clowns in for 50yrs, this madness is only what you deserve.

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