I fully support the hospital porter. Muslims are going around making spurious complaints left, right and centre and the sad thing is that many organisations bend over backwards to indulge them. This pandering to muslims has got to stop. To suspend the porter is frankly ridiculous (and it would not have happened to a consultant in the same situation have no doubt). In all my experience of meeting and dealing with muslims I can say that 'if you give them an inch they'll take a mile' and they are laughing at this country as we bend over backwards for them as they steadily advance their agenda of creating an islamic state out of the UK. It is obvious the porter has done nothing to warrant suspension, he was made the subject of a spurious complaint simply because muslims cannot accept or tolerate the Christian faith.
Let me state for the record that I am a Christian and in respect of islam I assert my belief that Allah is not God (Yahweh is), Mohammed was not God's prophet and the Koran is not God's book. To the muslims who are crying "Behead the infidel" right now, I give that most tradition English longbowman gesture of defiance.
Muslims need to learn that the vast majority of people in this country do not share their religious beliefs and are not insulting them or attempting to cause offence simply on account of differing opinion. If anything, it is belligerent muslims who offend the UK's traditions of tolerance, open-mindedness and fair play which ironically were extended to them allowing them into the country.
We've just seen the true nature of islam - which its adherents laughably claim is a religion of peace - with the Sudanese mob calling for the execution of the Teddy Bear Teacher.
I say reinstate the porter immediately!

Well said Richard i totally agree with your comments!

Richard, absolutely right!!

And we laughed at Enoch Powell.

Enoch Powell spoke with great prescience several decades ago on the famous 'Rivers of Blood' theme; the 'left-wing' have delighted in misrepresenting the true nature of Powell's message then and maligning the character of the man himself ever since. In my experience that is in the nature of the socialist minded: socialism rarely wins an argument on rational, pragmatic or sensible grounds so its' adherents only recourse is to pathetic attempted mockery. Enoch Powell was a politician of the first rank and a man of considerable personal integrity - a genuine conviction politician - and where can we find a man like that these days ... Tony Blair? Furthermore, the simple fact is Powell has been completely vindicated, he was absolutely right about the dangers of an unassimilated migrant population with radically different values. Witness 'British citizens' murder spree on 7th July 2005 in London. Witness 'British citizens' preaching hatred and death to fellow citizens from mosques up and down the land. Witness the deliberately segregated islamic enclaves rooted in provincial towns and cities as muslims 'claim the ground for islam' and refuse to integrate - a segregation more acute than ever Northern Ireland was. Then there are the terror plots I can't tell you about here. There is the steathily advancement of islamic takeover through our anaemic, rotten and malfunctioning democratic process akin to the Nazis rise to power through 'democracy' in the first instance. In fact there's so much of substance that I could say to validate Enoch Powell's foresight and on the seriousness of the islamic threat to this country's security and wellbeing that there simply isn't the time or space in this forum ... the only thing I can't manage is a veiled remark of idiotic triviality.

Richard Carvath said: "Socialism rarely wins an argument on rational, pragmatic or sensible grounds."

Let's see, shall we? Because I'm not sure that your argument is a terribly rational one myself.

Firstly, I'll agree that us socialists do often misrepresent Enoch Powell. I'll stand up and be counted on that one. However, what you fail to see is that socialism is not a monolithic entity - rather like conservatism, it is a melting pot of idealogies and movements, with a core centre but many satellites off it. So let's not generalise.

Your next few points - repetitive arguments - have so many holes they are like a sieve.
"the dangers of an unassimilated migrant population with radically different values. "Witness 'British citizens' murder spree on 7th July 2005 in London. Witness 'British citizens' preaching hatred and death to fellow citizens from mosques up and down the land. Witness the deliberately segregated islamic enclaves rooted in provincial towns and cities as muslims 'claim the ground for islam' and refuse to integrate."

The way you represent your views suggests a generalised, ignorant attitude. It seems you've been relying too much on the media and not enough on practical evidence. You treat islam as a monolith (again!) and you are scaremongering. Let's talk about 7/7, shall we? I was living in London then, and although it was terrifying, Londoners developed a sense of community and fought on. This is London, remember, a heaving metropolis with a massive immigrant population, which you say is damaging. However, there is a community spirit in London that I'm yet to discover here in Salford. People have marked me out because of my accent - I'm Northern Irish - and people find that hard to accept. They treat me as different, not a normal Salfordian.

You also use 7/7 to demonstrate Muslims are capable of murder and the spread of hatred. Nobody can deny that the London bombings and some radical Muslim teachings are despicable. Of course, by your argument, that discounts the fact that many of the most heinous crimes of the year have been committed by non-Muslims. Witness Garry Newlove, kicked to death defending his property from drunk white youths. Witness the white lads who shot a helpless dog and filled its stomach with pellets. Witness the woman who poisoned her husband. Witness the man who set his best friend alight after a row.
I think I've made my point there.

The most ignorant thing you said in your whole post was the comparison to Northern Ireland. I'm assuming you haven't lived there or no nothing about the situations. Ignorant, again. Come back when you know more facts on that one, Richard.

Serious Islamic threat to this country's security? Perhaps. But I think we ought to look a bit closer to home first.

Well you're certainly a thinking socialist rather than a ranting one which makes a refreshing change. May the mantle of MichaelFoot's donkey-jacket pass to you, anonymous socialist person. I'm not posting essays here, only brief comments, so inevitably the brushstrokes are broad and nutshell generalisations are often the order of the day. However the detail and the experience is there to back it up I assure you. I take information from a wide range of sources which are certainly not limited to mainstream media organisations; indeed the only way to get decent information on some subjects - such as global warming, events in Israel, persecution of Christians etc - is to look other than on the BBC! Specifically on islam and also immigration I am very well informed on these subjects and have a lot of direct experience of dealing with particularly Arab and Pakistani muslims, whether nominal, liberal, traditional, conservative, radical or islamist. I reassert that the threat islam poses to the UK in the next forty years is more serious than Nazi Germany. As far as 'socialism' is concerned - a broad term I agree - my opposition to this ideology is more fundamental than on a rational political level (though that is significant) ... my opposition is first and foremost spiritual in nature. By that I mean that socialism is just one political expression of humanist ideology and as a Christian I am thoroughly opposed to humanism which, in essence, rejects God and says man is his own god. And once we 'dispense with God', so to speak, down that road lies homosexual perversion, abortion, euthanasia, pornography, promiscuity, new age occult ... anything goes in fact, all evil imaginable, because when man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe nothing, he believes anything. The UK turned its back on God fifty years ago and the humanist/socialist utopian paradise that was supposed to replace Him has not materialised - rather the opposite in fact. Our present humanist society is unsustainable and will inevitably collapse - that is the testimony of history on every nation that rejects God and His standards and refuses to repent. And into the moral vacuum we have created, islam is steadily marching in to fill it. So a more important question to ask in the UK right now is not "Am I for the right or the left?" but rather "Am I for or against God?" It is no coincidence that as the UK rejected God (including woefully betraying His covenant people the Jews when we had the Palestinian Mandate) that we have gone from being a great and extensive Empire to an international laughing stock and a byword of shame in two generations. Will the UK repent before it is utterly destroyed? Islam is God's judgement on the UK and we will be taken over and turned into a shariah state unless we return to the faith of our forefathers and restore the Judaeo-Christian foundations of our nation.

Hi Richard,

Thanks for writing back, but I still don't think you've addressed my arguments.

I think the problem with this story is that it evokes irrational arguments in people because of its sensitive nature. Although not a 'good' Christian myself, I was brought up with very Christian values and still believe in God. But the problem with faith is that it is just that... faith. There can be no proof that God, Allah, Buddah etc exist, so in that sense, you can't say that others are wrong and you are right, like your first post.

And to say that the UK turned its back on God fifty years ago is a little oversimplifying it. I'm not sure that the UK really ever had its front to God. Bad things still happened before multi-culturalism and will probably continue to do so.

I don't want to get involved in a dispute about God, but I was always led to believe that God was the supreme judge, not you or me or anyone else. As I say, I'm not exactly the perfect Christian, but I do believe that your attitude is distinctly un-Christian, at least in the way that I was taught.

Dear Anon,
I'm sorry you don't feel I've addressed your arguments. Perhaps if you posed direct questions I'd have a better chance. I'v ejust had a quick re-read of your post and one thing that does jump out at me is I'm sorry you've not been made to feel very welcome in Salford and have been treated as an 'outsider' on account of your accent. I hope you will persevere as there are many decent and friendly people who live and work in Salford. Be assured ofa warm welcome in many of the churches in Salford. Don't worry about ever becoming a "normal Salfordian" - I don't think there is such a thing! If anything to be 'truly Salford' is to be just a little eccentric in a salt-of-the-earth kind of way! As for my Christian conduct and the authority for claims that I make about being right or wrong in 'matters of God' my standard and my authority is the Bible. If I say something that's out of line with the Bible [but be sure you've understood it correctly!] then it's a load of rubbish! And if my actions don't marry up to Biblical standards then pay me no regard either. Certainly I'm not perfect and I don't get it right all the time - I'm just an ordinary man. P.S. the difficulty in giving a satisfactory response to 'deep issues' is that this really isn't the site to do it on. My purpose is to comment on the news article and not to get too sidetracked from that. My apologies if my remarks are 'too superficial' or whatever but going deep is for books - not brief comments.
P.P.S. If you want my advice don't spend too much time reading the guff I write! ... read the Bible. It's a good book!
P.P.P.S. On my N.I. credentials ... a good book I'd recommend is "Heal Not Lightly" by Harry Smith, 2006, New Wine Ministries (ISBN 1-903725-73-9). God bless

Richard Carvath closed a previous comment with..
”In fact there's so much of substance that I could say to validate Enoch Powell's foresight and on the seriousness of the Islamic threat to this country's security and wellbeing that there simply isn't the time or space in this forum ... the only thing I can't manage is a veiled remark of idiotic triviality”.

I believe this may have been in response to my somewhat off the cuff remark about Mr. Powell.
To clarify for Mr. Carvath and others my response was directed toward the idiocy of the article (porter suspended) in question and not an indirect slur toward Mr. Carvath or Mr. Powell.
As a child in the sixties and seventies I was taught to deride Enoch Powell (and his ilk) as a racist and a fascist, without any reason or regard to the substance of his knowledge and foresight. This was a result of the Labour party and their intellectual grip on the under-informed masses, and their need garnish favour (get votes) among the new and ever growing immigrant population.
When we read in the UK press about non-Muslims being treated unfairly we should all think “and we laughed at Enoch Powell”.

Oh right. Just tucking into my humble pie now James!

I said "and their need to garnish favour" sorry, it should have read "garner favour"
So much for auto correct.
Merry Christmas Richard switch back to mince pie, it's much more festive.

Oops,sorry!
In my last post it should have been "to garner favour"
Richard try the mince,it's lovely this time of the year.

Sorry I've never liked mince pies but I have it on good authority that Osama bin Laden just adores a tasty Eccles Cake. I recommend a Swedish reindeer pie followed by Danish Apple Struddel, date and raisin pastries from Ramallah and a nice cup of English char.

Bring back the Enoch asap!

Yisraelee, I wonder do you mean Enoch Powell or Enoch who walked with God [Genesis 5]?!

By the way, as regards your comment on another thread about the sabbath I don't doubt that you have some valid criticisms of institutionalised and corrupt manifestations of 'Christianity' in regard of the sabbath; I'd probably agree with most of the criticisms you hold! As a Christian (and a Zionist friend of Israel at that) what bothers me even more though is the failure of 'the Church' [overall] to confess, repent and atone for its hand [either actively or in terms of tacit support] in a myriad of atrocities and acts of evil and injustice against the Jews throughout history. One thing that especially grieves my heart as an Englishman is the appalling manner in which the British nation betrayed the Jews when it administered the 'Palestinian Mandate' and actually prevented countless thousands of Jews from returning to the sanctuary of their God-given homeland at the time of the Nazis: in effect the UK collaborated with the Nazis in the mass murder of the Jews by refusing them entry to Israel. Furthermore the British then hampered Jewish efforts to restore their homeland prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Indeed God's covenant promises have come into effect and a major reason that the UK is presently in crisis is because it is under God's judgement for its evil treatment of God's covenant people the Jews.