CITY55, Come on now, are you telling me, that you went through all those 44 years, the lows& the lowers, the tears & the heartbreak, to eventual ecstacy, only to resort to lame digs at your perpetual enemy ?, that is so 'old city' that you should have left behind on the Kippax, put some venom in it Man, get it off your chest, we can take it, we survived the winter of 63, with nought but an army greatcoat as a duvet.