They were the same on the froch undecard at Nottingham, but you don't mind as much at a venue like that as its like a smaller version of the M.E.N arena and they are easily avoidable in te concourse area, but at wigan or Alty if you want a quiet drink and a discussion about boxing (which is why we are there) then you have no chance, just going for a pee was like being back in the PSV in the old days!