We are not the same team without rooney,

We seem to lack Wazza factor in da game.

one man team as per last year

A battling Stoke performance?????...more like a butchering Stoke performance...they were a disgrace and should have had a least one player sent off in the first half.

How dare Rudolph criticise 'Crouchito' ???????????????

More like United treated them with to much respect lets face it some of our players senior at that let United down.

Keane wasnt replaced and now Scholes wasnt replaced.

We do not have the players to split a defence or bully the midfield and that is why we will struggle away from home AGAIN this season.

D-Gea 8; Valencia 6 Ferdy7 Jones 8 Evra 7;Nani 8 Fretcher 7 Anderson 7.5 Young 6; Chicha 7 Berba 6.5; subs Owen 5 Giggs 5.5 Welbeck 5.2;

Cant agree with Berba getting a 5 he was deep all the time looking for the ball as we had no creativity in midfield which enabled us to release the 2 strikers through on goal, again and again Anderson gave the ball away and Fletcher is not a player in that mould, many fans and pundits myself included see CM as the problem and Saturday has confirmed that situation, I am not saying we deserved to beat Stoke by default but we should really have created much more in terms of chances, Berba and Owen are "strikers" and I am sure had they been presented with the amount of chances that Stoke had we would now be on 18 points from 18 no question about it, time Ferguson woke up to himself Carrick/Gibson need to be sold in January and bring in a creative midfielder who can be that link to the attackers, I mean how many times do we see Wayne dropping deep to get something going, he shouldnt have to do this he is a striker, I think its time to lay off Berba and Owen, if they are missing 3 or 4 clear chances a game then yes they deserve their criticism but this is not the case, get a horrible feeling we have experienced another "false dawn" with Ando hope I am wrong cant wait to see Tom back in the middle, now would bever have imagined saying that so soon after his return from Wigan

Anderson had his worst game this season. Why? Could it have anything to do with the fact that his midfield partner was next to useless? I'm afraid Fletcher works hard, tries hard and achieves nothing. No link up whatsoever between defence and attack, consequently Anderson was trying too hard to be all over the place covering and make things happen.

Not his best game but you have to consider why when playing with someone decent he does well and when playing with Fletcher he is not effective. I'm afraid Fletcher brings everyone down to his level - he has only had one good season at United and some people seem to think that's the norm rather than the exception.

Defence still a bit wonky. What ever happened to the twins. Are they out of favour now.
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