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Lack of second-string seniors hurt Reds - Lou

LOU Macari believes Manchester United's FA Cup embarrassment stems from the demise of the school of hard knocks.

Former United star Macari pinpoints the absence of senior pros from reserve team football as the origin of humiliations like the one United's young XI suffered against Exeter.

Old Trafford future hopes like Kieran Richardson, Chris Eagles, Gerard Pique and Jonathan Spector appeared shellshocked against the Devon outfit. Only midfielder David Jones' reputation as a promising up-and-coming talent remained intact.

And former Scotland and United striker Macari reckons the lack of a tough soccer environment in the modern second-string game is a major source of the problem.

"The step up from reserve team football to the first team is bigger now than it has ever been," Macari said.

"The step from youth football to the reserves used to be like stepping into a completely different type of football. You genuinely moved into a league where the standard of player was that of the seniors. It was an ideal learning stage in preparation for the next move up to the seniors

"You had old heads coming towards the end of their careers in the second team, you had first-teamers coming back from injuries and those who'd been put in there from the senior side to find their form again.

"I remember when I was a manager going to a Chelsea reserve match on the lookout for players and in their second team you had the likes of Mickey Droy, who was six foot plus and about 15 stone and experienced pros and internationals like Robert Fleck, Billy Dodds and Nigel Spackman.

'Massive step'

"They had been Chelsea regulars who for one reason or another were then spending a spell in the reserves. Watch a player against them and if they handled it you knew they had a chance to make the step up because the step up from that kind of opponent to what you'd face in a league game was virtually the same. Nowadays it is a massive step. Any kid playing against that calibre of senior was getting a great soccer education because apart from the odd youngster, it was men versus men.

"Now all you see is a bunch of kids against kids. I watch the team bus arriving at Altrincham's Moss Lane for some of United's reserve matches and it is like a school outing getting off.

"With cutbacks in the modern game the majority of clubs aren't employing huge squads and are filling the reserves with teenagers. Even in those clubs with big squads you don't see the fringe players playing that often in the reserves for some reason.

"So kids now are just playing lads of their own age. Most reserve sides now are mostly made up of youngsters.

"Then you get the situation where you put them in against a non-League side like Exeter and their two front players Steve Flack and Sean Devine have spent years in the league. They are experienced players and the youngsters haven't got the background knowledge to face players like that. That's happening all over the place, not just at United.

Fringe

"Kids may think when they get to the reserve level these days that they are on the fringe of the seniors but in truth they are still a million miles away.

"Without a doubt an 18-year-old reserve player now is not as mature a player as an 18-year-old reserve player 10, 15 or 20 years ago.

"It even goes further than the reserve side because the Academy sides play against lads of their own age whereas years ago you could even get seniors playing in the A and B side in the Lancashire League!

"If you were on your way back from injury or were being punished you could find yourself up against the likes of Marine. Other teams did exactly the same. "

Macari uses the example of a certain Mark Hughes to illustrate his point.

"Young players now don't really experience playing against the kind of opponent they'll meet week in, week out in the seniors," he added.

"I remember playing in United's reserves in the last year of my Old Trafford career and I was playing up front with Sparky.

"Mark was about 17 or 18 and at the time there was a lot of talk going around that it was touch and go whether United would keep him on at the club. Presumably he was then put in the reserves to see how he'd fare and whether he had want it takes. It was a great indicator. The manager could judge a kid properly.

"He got into that reserve team environment and proved against some hard-bitten professionals that he could handle himself. That experience made him stronger and quicker.

"It made Mark the great player he became. His education in the reserves made him a superstar.

"I look around the country now and think that the young players aren't getting the same education at all. I feel sorry for them."



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I AM VERY SICK AND FEDUP OF HEARING INJURIES AND UP-DOWNS!! ONE INSTANCE WE PLAY AS "NEVER SAY DIE" WAY, THEN OTHER WE LET OURSELVES INJURED AND START BACK TO SQUARE ONE!!!! WHEN ARE WE GONNA LEARN

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This is a very interesting and thoughtfull piece by Lou. Apart from increasing the amount of loan time with lower division clubs for individual reserve players, why not mix in friendlies with them so that all the youngsters get Exeter experience, and before an O.T. exposure?

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Thanks Lou Macari. This most
interesting observation explains
much and is the kind in inciteful
knowledge that most of us are not aware of. As a U11 class 1 coach I know how great the task is when our boys step up in practice games against the12's, we never win.
Up the Reds
step up
Up the Reds

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The only true way to get players ready for the first team is to get them out on long loans at the highest possible level, We are going to release Spector in the next week or so to blackburn which will do him no end of good as will Steele spell at Coventry but i think more players should be allowed to go out and we should get rid of one of our two reserve teams to allow this. I think i am right in saying Richardson and Eagles could have joined palace which again seemed ideal as we could have seen if they could cut it in the premiership and if we decided they aren't good enough then it is a good shop window as well and would result in you getting higher transfer fees for them, but we knocked it back due to the fact we have to produce two reserve teams each week. I would like to see Pique, Jones and even Kleberson go on loan as i still think he could come good however we cant afford him the time in our first team to find his feet in england.

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Well said Lou...!
These fairies today don't know they are born,and are paid too much money...You can't be a hard man in todays game,and some of these boys would start crying if they took the knocks,that the 60's and 70's men took...

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Excellent observations by Lou.
I am finding it frustrating to see the direction United are taking.We have a 2nd team of experienced pros and internationals who are supposed to fight and break thriugh to the first team......problem is they dont seem to play too many games reserves or otherwise together.
We seem to try and coy the Arsenal phisophy of getting talented young players from the Continent and groming them........the trouble is Arsenals players seem to be only one step from effertlessly fitting into the first team ( Van Persie and Reyes to mention only 2).Where are our scouts....are they all going to the same matches as Chelsea............who was our last big find ? Schmicheal ?
It appears united have too many reserve players that are used in the first team in too many positions ie O shea Spector fortune fulback centerback center back or midfield.
Play these players in their best positions in reserve games get their confidence up and then try them out in the first team or loan them out.
How much money is being wasted on players that will never be given a fair crack at the first team because of the current system.
I agree fully with Lou play them in the reserves and bite the bullet and ship out those unable to make the grade in the first tem.

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