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Why is it when people are on such outrageous wages, they seem to get perk after perk and endless freebies, yet someone who earns an average wage pays through the nose just to make ends meet? And yet there's no money to keep wards open, they're closing maternity departments in most local hospitals and if you are unlucky enough to have to stay in a hospital you end up with MRSA and malnutrition from the dreadful food!

And while you are on the subject of cost saving & cars. GMP's bosses that includes the civvies all get cars paid for by the job, not to mention the amount they waste on hire cars when there are cars sat at stations doing rock all because there are not enough cops on the streets to drive them.

Why don't you ask what GMP's chief officers drive? Even the ones who are not police officers, such as head of staff/admin etc. They have concealed blue lights and sirens on them so they are classed as police cars to avoid paying company car tax - Even though the non police officer chiefs are not authorised to use blue lights!


BMW's, Mercedes, the works!

[quote name=amir khan]And while you are on the subject of cost saving & cars. GMP's bosses that includes the civvies all get cars paid for by the job, not to mention the amount they waste on hire cars when there are cars sat at stations doing rock all because there are not enough cops on the streets to drive them.[/quote]


Knowing a few cops, its more the case that ithe ones park at he station doing 'rock all' are actually sorting case files and paperwork out.
It is more the case that the bobby on the beat doesn't manage to get hold of keys because there are not enough normal cop cars.

This is a ridiculous non story, designed to agitate the small minded, and people who do not understand business. These people have senior jobs in significant size enterprises. In order to attract quality people to these positions, you have to pay the going rate (wages and other benefits). The alternative is to not pay the going rate and subsequently have inferior people.

It’s the same in any sphere, Alex Ferguson/Mancini et al, pay the top rate to get the top
quality people and hence gets the top results. Imagine for a minute that Ferguson et al was forced to employ cheaper rate employees (players from the 3rd division), what do you think the result will be???.
It’s a no brainer!!

These people will tell the rest of us not to drive cars and to put windmills on our houses because of the fairy story of global warming. Politics is rotten in the state of Britain.

look, they give up an equivalent amount of salary to get the lease cars so what is the point of this and what is the problem?

if you think they get paid too much, that is one thing, but this is a non-story

Can't see the problem at all. Executives get perks in all types of business and their jobs probably involve a significant amount of travel. It would probably cost the trust's more to pay their mileage rates on a private car than it does to lease them so this story is a non entity.

FFS, company cars exist everywhere so why pick on these people.

I'm not an exec nor a company car driver by the way so not trying to defend my own position in any way.

Justified True Belief , - ... (22/06/2010 at 09:34)

I agree with the points you make, however, the industries you've used are not closing down departments, turning away customers due to staff shortages and lack of equipment. If these people are doing such fine jobs because they're the best there is then why are our hospitals in such a bad way? You can't pay out such high wages when you're crying poverty to your customers, or maybe you can, but shouldn't.

What a complete non-story. Grow up and stop being so idiotic. This is what it costs. Crook and Kealing put the following words into the right order "barrel of bottom scraping the" !!!

Outrageous! these people who manage multi million pound budgets, and have thousands of members of staff working for them, who make incredibly difficult and important decisions that will affect all of us for years to coime should clearly only be paid £8000 a year and get a discount on a push bike if they are lucky.
Of course they get a car, and a high salary, because if they diudn't, they would go and work in the private sector where they would also get private health care. Dave Prentis of Unison is paid a basic of 90k plus benefits worth 35k, when the members he represents are on far less. It is simply a case of value for money from these people, and the MEN does not help by sensationalising a none story once again.

this does not surprise me in the least, they are nothing but theives who should be sacked for what they do!!!
and trust me every mp if you look at their budgets are up to something!!
britain is finished as a power because of pure greed by the mps. politicians and bankers!!!

[quote name=Justified True Belief , - ...]

Imagine for a minute that Ferguson et al was forced to employ cheaper rate employees (players from the 3rd division), what do you think the result will be???.
It’s a no brainer!![/quote]

The results would be the present England team by all accounts.

We are talking cuts everywhere else, not freezes!

Back handed arrogance...

The BMW 525d does 36mpg. Hardly 'gas guzzling'.

This is the way of the western world. You'll be getting him to pay for his own coffee next.

@Justified-

who says: This is a ridiculous non story, designed to agitate the small minded, and people who do not understand business. These people have senior jobs in significant size enterprises. In order to attract quality people to these positions, you have to pay the going rate (wages and other benefits). The alternative is to not pay the going rate and subsequently have inferior people.

do you not think that these people are paid enough that the tax payer has to warrant flash cars too?

How on earth is it acceptable at a time of economic turmoil; that let me remind you and in accordance with David Cameron "We all have to contribute towards the deficit and the effects of this will hit each and every one of us ".

A remuneration freeze is not enough and neither is a free flash car.

150k is more than acceptable anything further is clearly greed and unnecassary

We are all told we have to cut our cloth to suit and as a representative of the public services they should be seen to be doing the same. we are all human and in this mess together...

some confused posters on here HEALTH SERVICE and POLICE SERVICE are two different entitys,the police service is managed and directed by the chief constable (a police man) whilst the health service is now managed by trust managers (not doctors or even medically trained people).
it is questionable whether these people would gain such pay conditions in the private sector and judging on the state of some hospitals in their charge how they can still be employed at all.
it should also be pointed out that in the private sector people on this kind of money usually run tight ships that make profits or at least manage to trade within the given margins of their market.
another fact is that as some have said the wages paid relate to other comparible people in the private sector,these people do not work in the private sector they work for the public sector with public funding ,and the highest paid member in public service should be its leader the PRIME MINISTER,who earns tens of thousands less than these seemingly inefficient people.
lets put the control back in the hand of the doctors,cut the waste,stop the payoffs and make the public sector pay for their own pensions like the rest of us or accept the state pension which could be bigger for all if the greedy socialists didnt want a bigger cut......

Jiggerz, Mancunia (22/06/2010 at 09:45)
“I agree with the points you make, however, the industries you've used are not closing down departments, turning away customers due to staff shortages and lack of equipment.”
- Industries are always re-sizing there workforce up and down, it rarely effects staff pay, including senior exec’s.

“If these people are doing such fine jobs because they're the best there is then why are our hospitals in such a bad way?”
- I am not in the health service, but by what measure are you using to say our hospitals are in a bad way?. I think (personally) hospitals today are probably as good as they have ever been, considering the range of services they provide.

Dog Egg, Your back garden

Sir/Madam, you did not address my basic premis that these people are paid a package (salary, car, pension etc) that is comensurate with their position in the market (both private and public).
Failure to do this will lead to a reduction quality of personnel, irrespective what the likes of you and me “think is fare”

Slightly sensationalist reporting - e.g. the photo caption "Salford boss David Dalton drives a BMW".

MEN, if you're truly concerned with the use of cars paid for by the tax payer then perhaps you would submit Freedom of Information requests to the Manchester councils to confirm the amounts spent on cars by our local authorities.

For example, I'd be surprised if many Salfordians are thrilled by the running costs of a Jaguar XJ saloon.

Could be worse, I suppose, such as the lease costs of the Bentley Continental that the people of East Cheshire pay for.

I hope Neal Keeling and Amanda Crook don't get any perks in their job after comming up with this exclusive non-story.

this is why i voted tory! they promised to sort out these sorts of drains on public services.
these sorts of wages are way too high in the first place! then on top of it they get perks like these too!

let the culling begin!

An Audi A3 is hardly extravagant is it, its a normal car and much less that most public sector employees on £70k would expect.

ANY public sector employee in similar positions would expect a company car or a car allowance, why do we keep making a bit deal of this.

A car is a car why not make them use a nissan micra , cheap, reliable and economic something these freeloaders know nothing about