ID card tsar Sir Joseph Pilling has admitted he can see why people don't understand why the scheme is needed.
The Rochdale-born, former top civil servant is the government's independent identity commissioner, whose role it is to ensure the controversial ID scheme is run properly.
His report into the first three months of the controversial scheme will be presented to Parliament.
He says he is resolutely impartial and independent, committed only to ensuring that those running the contentious ID scheme, which is being trialled here in Manchester.
And he says he is taking every care to ensure the security of its data and the effectiveness of its service.
“I am personally neutral - and I do understand why those who haven`t followed every aspect of the debate may find it difficult to see why we are having them, particularly since they are voluntary.,” he said.
“I personally don`t qualify for an ID card - I don`t live in Manchester or work airside,” he says, adding with a chuckle, “nor am I clearly 16 - 24, the age at which you can get them in Greater London. Anyway if I could apply for a card people would assume I was in favour - and I`m impartial and am anxious to establish my independence.. Though I have to admit I`d be interested in going through the process just to see for myself what it involves on a personal level.”
Today Home Secretary Alan Johnson will present Sir Joseph`s initial report to Parliament.
Sir Joseph acknowledges that the scheme is ambitious and complicated and therefore “it would be foolish to give it a clean bill of health”.
Glitches
And though he says there are no `obvious glitches`, he admits it hasn`t all been plain sailing.
In December the M.E.N. reported how passengers from Greater Manchester told how they were turned away by airlines and ferry companies when they tried to use the new ID cards to travel – because staff did not recognise the document.
On the possibility of forgery - particularly topical after the recent theft of British passport holders details in Dubai - Sir Joseph, who occupied a senior position at the Northern Ireland Office, simply reports: “The system cannot be fool proof. It will require a combination of skill, resources and luck to obtain a card in a false identity but no one claims that it can`t be done.”
While British citizens in Greater Manchester can now apply for ID cards, the scheme is set to be introduced in other parts of the north-west of England , prior to national roll-out.
From 2011, British citizens aged 16 or over who apply for a passport will automatically be registered on the national identity database, which contains personal details including fingerprints and facial scans.
All of which fans the flames of debate and puts Sir Joseph in the firing line whenever people learn of his involvement.
“I`m used to being attacked at parties by people who demand to know where I stand on ID cards and then who get frustrated when I won`t answer the question.”
As a northerner however, he says a perk of the job has been the fact that Manchester has played such a pivotal role since it has necessitated many visits to the city.
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Andanotherthing, Mcr (25/02/2010 at 07:56)
Mark,Radcliffe. (25/02/2010 at 09:11)
Professor Bob (25/02/2010 at 09:25)
Mum's little sun beam, on her knee (25/02/2010 at 09:28)
No, but the MEN appears to have a vested interest in talking up anything the Labour council or government does.
Don't worry, it's all coming to an end soon. Once the Tories get back the MEN can exercise all it's influence (sic) criticising the government for a change.
Andanotherthing, Mcr (25/02/2010 at 09:31)
I would not want one, free or not.
Black Flag (25/02/2010 at 09:33)
Firstly, there's no such thing as free, it's just that the money gets taken in a different way. They still have to be paid for.
Secondly, in spite of what you think, a huge number of people would not want one, irrespective of the price charged at the point of issue.
old joe , radcliffe (25/02/2010 at 09:38)
Security, thats a joke with the press reports in the past.
Army lost date, Nhs lost data, Local councils lost data, Dvla lost data along with thousands of blank log books, so why would this be any diferent?
Huckleberry Mudsplasher (25/02/2010 at 09:39)
old joe , radcliffe (25/02/2010 at 09:41)
Ok then, NHS lost data, Army lost data, Dhss lost data, local councils lost data, so why will this be diferent?
What about lost IDs how many passports, driver licences, credit cards etc are lost in a year?
No thank you.
sledge (25/02/2010 at 09:41)
Andrew Watson (25/02/2010 at 09:50)
I have news for Sir Joseph - there are very many of us, especially in the computer industry, who have followed every aspect of this ID Cards Scheme, and deeply oppose it precisely because we DO understand what his former bosses at the Home Office are trying to do.
The main problem isn't the cards, it's the huge database of personal information hidden behind them, which each of us would be forced to keep up to date for life, on pain of repeated penalties of up to £1000.
Signing up for an ID card and handing all your personal data over to the Home Office (so they can lose it) is a mug's game.
ruth davis, Salford (25/02/2010 at 09:57)
canonball, inside the helmet (25/02/2010 at 10:11)
d1v1s1onby0, Wigan (25/02/2010 at 10:17)
This reminds me of the Con charge debacle.
When the vote went the way it did, the supporters were saying that people didn’t understand the need for a charge.
I find this quite insulting, just because I disagree with someone doesn’t mean I don’t understand the issue, it means I think they are wrong.
d1v1s1onby0, Wigan (25/02/2010 at 10:20)
Also I would encourage anyone interested in this issue to read "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black.
Not many people realise that the genocide of the Jews could not have happened without the aid of IBM and its punched card system which it leased to the Germans
mogan97 (25/02/2010 at 10:22)
Black Flag (25/02/2010 at 10:23)
I think there's a bit more to it than that. A number of the pieces sound like lifts from press releases from the government, councils, police or other public bodies. I find it hard to criticise the MEN too much for that; if you've got to produce a newspaper's worth of articles six days a week, when the number of staff at newspapers is generally being reduced, the option of using a press release to fill up a few column inches must be incredibly hard to resist.
The problem is that such an approach can make it hard to distinguish between what is balanced, investigate journalism and what is churnalism.
GaelGivet, Didsbury (25/02/2010 at 10:37)
Sledge: ‘They are £30 and I love mine, if it helps make our country a safer place then I don't mind the cost’
And therein lies a fundamental problem – they won’t make our country a safer place, as evidenced by the government’s backtracking on the issue. First of all we were told they’d help tackle terrorism but now as far as I can see they’re being promoted as little more than a glorified proof of age card. So I think I’ll keep my £30, keep my biometric data and sit back and enjoy watching this failing government squirm as it tries to justify this ridiculously expensive, pointless and invasive policy.
£30 to hand my biometric data over to the government so they can lose it and abuse it? No thanks.
Black Flag (25/02/2010 at 10:46)
That's a masterpiece of Orwellian doublespeak.
Andanotherthing, Mcr (25/02/2010 at 10:51)
The real reason I find this article to be propaganda is because of the journalist in question. Was she herself not used in the promotion? There is nothing impartial about this article.
Black Flag (25/02/2010 at 11:37)
don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is no bias (almost every newspaper has a political leaning), just that there are additional issues which affect the general tone of the paper beyond any inherent bias.
James Yates, Hyde, Cheshire (25/02/2010 at 11:55)
Almighty God, Salford - vote Green (25/02/2010 at 11:57)
alan who, ancoats (25/02/2010 at 12:25)
PW, Manchester (25/02/2010 at 12:43)
All I can say is I'm glad he understands. Now get your card scheme out of my face.