Almost 5,000 'innocent' people's DNA profiles have been added to a national database by Greater Manchester Police since European courts ruled they should be removed.
The force has taken nearly 24,000 DNA profiles since the European Court of Human Rights ruling a year ago.
Of those, 4,981 or 14 a day - were from 'innocent' people - who were either never charged or later acquitted.
The latest figures were obtained from written Parliamentary answers.
GMP has added a total of 284,628 samples to the database since it was first set up in 1995 and 51,921 of those samples were taken from people who were either not charged or acquitted.
The police practice of keeping DNA profiles indefinitely has come under fire from human rights groups.
Crucial
But police say it is a crucial weapon in solving major crime.
In December 2008, European courts ruled that keeping innocent people's DNA on a criminal register was a breach of the Human Rights Convention and they should be removed `within a proportionate period'.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was 'disappointed' but the government has now proposed DNA samples must be removed after six years if the person who provided it has not been convicted of a crime.
keep a couple of quotes from stunell Lib Dem Hazel Grove MP Andrew Stunell, who spoke out on the issue in August, has repeated his call for the government to remove the 'innocents'.
He said: “It is disgraceful that the government is blocking the removal of the DNA records of nearly 5,000 innocent people despite the courts ruling that the practice is illegal.
“In Britain, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but Labour seem determined to create a half-guilty class of people with their most intimate personal information held by the police for six years – even though they have done nothing wrong.
“DNA should be taken on arrest but destroyed if a person is not charged, or if they are acquitted.
“Despite the government’s promises to fully abide by the European Court’s ruling, they are still doing everything they can to avoid obeying it. Gordon Brown needs to learn the difference between innocence and guilt and learn it quickly.”
Vital
A Home Office spokesperson said: “It is crucial we do everything we can to prevent crime and bring offenders to justice. The DNA database plays a vital role in helping us do that, providing thousands of crime scene matches every year and helping put criminals behind bars.
“In response to the European Court ruling on hold DNA samples indefinitely, our proposals currently before Parliament for DNA retention would require the police to remove profiles from the database after six years if the person was not subsequently convicted.
“Under the exceptional case procedure, an individual can apply to their police force to have their DNA removed. This is decided by chief constables on a case by case basis.”
GMP's Forensic Services director Dr Peter Hall said: “GMP follows Home Office policy on obtaining and retaining DNA samples.
“We are aware of the ruling at the European Court of Human Rights and have recently responded to a government consultation document on the subject.
“Should there be any change in legislation we would clearly amend our procedures accordingly.”
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Mad Welsh Scotsman, Cadishead (09/02/2010 at 08:21)
Black Flag (09/02/2010 at 08:46)
The state has no respect for the law.
Tezza, Tyldesley (09/02/2010 at 09:07)
The best bet would surely be that the police hold everyone’s DNA on file and then they could clear up all the murders, Rapes, and Paedophile attacks that you are forever going on about
Esso Blue. Carlitos is officially a GOD , Blues Town (09/02/2010 at 09:08)
Black Flag (09/02/2010 at 09:16)
DNA, contrary to what some foolish people might think, is not some kind of panacea which can magically resolve every investigation.
In order to collect the DNA of everybody, you would have to forcibly violate the bodily privacy of those who don't want to give it and have done nothing wrong, which would put you morally on par with a rapist anyway.
Pipesmoker, Atherton. Manchester (09/02/2010 at 09:25)
However I beleive that DNA should be recorded at birth along wiyh birth certificate
Ignoramus, Manchester (09/02/2010 at 09:26)
Even better is to lock everyone up.
thoughtful, East of Manchester (09/02/2010 at 09:31)
Testers only need a few ceels from the mouth, even spit in a cup is enough, if someone is holding out when the DNA evidence could totally exhonourate them, then there's probably a good reason - they're a criminal! Asking someone to spit in a cup is nothing like rape - only a man (and an ignorant & stupid one at that) sould come out with such a unthinking & unfeeling statement.
I'm quite happy for my DNA to be on a database because I'm not a criminal, and not likely to be. Yes I know that the useless brigade had shot themselves in the foot (yet again) by abusing the powers given them under the terrorism act when they swore blind they wouldn't. I don't believe that the Police are a trustworthy organisation (look at Ali Desai) so it would need to be a seperate and independant body which ran the system.
It's true that not all crime scenes have DNA traces, but plenty do and the amount of money & time which can be potentially saved by a data base will also benefit society.
d1v1s1onby0, Wigan (09/02/2010 at 09:35)
Mark,Radcliffe. (09/02/2010 at 09:39)
theface, City Centre (09/02/2010 at 09:41)
Surely the only people who would object to this are the Human Rights activists who are doing their best to ruin this country and people who already have something to hide.
If this were to happen there would be a sudden increase surge in detected crime mainly from people who have gotten away with their crime/s for years.
Audenshaw Bob (09/02/2010 at 09:45)
If you read all these things that we do you would think it was something from the Soviet Union, not Great Britain.
If this is the way we are going then not a lot you can do if Labour keep getting in.
As for the DNA it would be more efficient to take it at birth. This was proposed on a number of ocasions and like all these thing sit will soon happen, whether we like it or not.
The Higher Openshaw Exile, MANCHESTER (09/02/2010 at 09:47)
seems to think it is above the law, so why don't the European Courts summon Brown the Leader (another joke) to appear before them to answer why the police are still breaking the law.
steve wilson (09/02/2010 at 09:49)
They will surely use computers to store this information and just look at the governments record of spending on systems that then prove to be either inadequate or simply useless for the job intended:I for one do not trust them at all!
d1v1s1onby0, Wigan (09/02/2010 at 09:54)
Can I just ask everyone to stop and think for a second about the days when Black people were segregated, when women couldnt vote, when 5 year olds had to work in the mills and when "Working Class" meant you had to work 7 days a week 14 hour days for just enough to stop your family working?
The world is a better place today because of Human Rights Activists, the clue is in the name and if your Human, then you should care about your rights
d1v1s1onby0, Wigan (09/02/2010 at 10:01)
should read
"for just enough to stop your family STARVING?"
Black Flag (09/02/2010 at 10:05)
And what happens if somebody doesn't want to give their bodily fluids, because they've done nothing wrong and there is no reason to believe that they've done anything wrong? Presumably at that point you'd physically restrain them and forcibly swab their mouth. That is very much like rape and anybody who attempts to justify it should be treated with the same contempt as those who try to excuse rape.
And as for those who propose taking it at birth, they're talking nonce-sense.
Brook Lands (09/02/2010 at 10:06)
That the police are ignoring the law? What does that say about them? I'm normally on here defending them but the police are not above the law and should always be seen to be squeakier than Squeaky Maclean.
As to collecting all DNA, there may be no immediate problems, but how about in the future the govt. is a bit less honest (hard to imagine I know) than now and decides to sell that info to insurance companies, big pharma etc etc, how would you feel about it then? Too late then as they technically posses the information and it's theirs to sell.
I'd also say that Germans in the 1930's felt they had nothing to fear from the Nazi party, now looking back it was one of the worst episodes of human history. Don't make the mistake that the UK couldn't become a totalitarian state in the future. I don't want my DNA held. It's my property.
Stevedore, Quayside (09/02/2010 at 10:06)
Ignoramus, Manchester (09/02/2010 at 10:09)
This will surely catch all those naughty babies who have been drug dealing in the womb.
On another note would you agree microchipping everyone so the police always know where they are is a good idea. It would be just as painless and if you've got nothing to hide then it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Audenshaw Bob (09/02/2010 at 10:14)
The world is a better place for human rights activists. In countries where people aren't allowed to vote, are imprisoned for their political views and the things thatyou mentioned then I agree, it is a vital thing.
The problem is that the human rights act is also used for purposes for which it wasn't designed and is abused by many.
As for the comments on here like 'if you haven't done anything then you have nothing wo worry about' well what tosh. I have nothing to worry about but don't want my DNA being hel illegally. I believe in innocent until proven guilty rather than guilty unless you can prove you are innocent.
Where do we stop? Shall we randomly pull somebody in for 48 hours of questioning? If they have nothing to hide then they will have nothing to wrry about.
citycentre, manchester (09/02/2010 at 10:20)
"The best bet would surely be that the police hold everyone’s DNA on file and then they could clear up all the murders, Rapes, and Paedophile attacks"
Untrue
A senior Met Police office was quoted in The Times earlier this year as saying that in over 85% of rape cases consent was the issue and the alleged attacker was known to the victim, so DNA would be of no help.
With murders and child sex cases the proportion of offences were the suspect is a family member or known to the victim is similarly high, so again, DNA evidence is of no use.
citycentre, manchester (09/02/2010 at 10:23)
You are correct in worrying that DNA samples can be abused leading to miscarriges of justice. I beleive suspects in Australia are now advised to refuse any kind of DNA testing, even to "clear their name" as the risk of fasle conviction is now higher.
citycentre, manchester (09/02/2010 at 10:26)
The article states the ruling on rentention of innocent people's samples was by the ECHR, which is a separate body to the EU. It was enacted in the early 1950's to try and prevent governments similar to that in Nazi Germany taking power again.
Is it not worrying that our government needs to be kept from commiting abuses agaisnt its own citizens by such a body?
citycentre, manchester (09/02/2010 at 10:32)