Asbo for not keeping dogs on lead

November 20, 2009

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Clare Vandermark allowed her dogs to roam free on land near her home in Penzance Street, Miles Platting.

A PET owner has been given a three-year Asbo ordering her to keep her dogs on a lead.

Neighbours had complained to the council that they were frightened and intimidated by Clare Vandermark's bull terrier-type dogs which she allowed to roam free on land near her home in Penzance Street, Miles Platting.

A condition requiring her to keep the animals on a lead in public places has been included in an order, granted after Vandermark, 37, was convicted of breaching a previous Asbo given in 2005.

It included the condition that she must not be abusive or threatening to neighbours but she flouted that order and in September was given an 18-month community order.

Manchester council secured the new Criminal Asbo on conviction - known as a CrAsbo - including the condition about controlling her pets.

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Andanotherthing, Mcr (20/11/2009 at 07:13)

A waste of court time and money. Take the dogs off her and ban her from not only owning, but looking after dogs again.

She has breached the last Asbo, refused to pay that last fine of £850 so why do the council think this will work? Ms vandermark will continue suiting herself and sod everyone else. By removing the dogs, you remove most of the contention between her and the neighbours.

dessie, manchester (20/11/2009 at 08:28)

sounds like a stereotypical scally with dogs in tow!!!

mort (20/11/2009 at 08:57)

what a looker

Angelene19, Manchester (20/11/2009 at 15:07)

She looks like one of those alien lizards from "V". Scary.

garfield (20/11/2009 at 16:38)

i agree with other comments, she should ahve had the dogs removed, for reasons such as punishment to herself and also for the saftey of the dogs, and public. What if one of thoose dogs went into the road and caused a car accident???, i know the owner of the dog is responsible but once the accident has happened its to late for the victims of the accident.

Careless Whisper (20/11/2009 at 16:56)

Not keeping dog on lead: Wow! Crime of the century......and has her looks have to do with not keeping dogs on lead. Some of you are really, really sad. Since when have police allowed people full makeovers before having their mug-shots taken. O.k. Fine yes, she should keep her dogs on leads but to barrack her over how she looks is cruel and is something kids do in the playground. It is a shame that people use the MEN website to bully others. The sooner the MEN don't allow such posts, the better. Especially if her only crime was not to keep dogs on leads.

Andanotherthing, Mcr (20/11/2009 at 17:06)

Careless Whisper,
20/11/2009 at 16:56

Read the article before the comments. Read the other articles and the comments by Ms Vandermark about her responsibility, then comment.

Nutter and Simple have no say in this. But a few Nutters and Simpletons do.

Careless Whisper (20/11/2009 at 17:17)

andanotherthing: I read the article-but answer me this what have her looks have any relevance to the article? just what are you saying are you trying to say that if this woman looked any different, then she would keep her dogs on a lead? Andanotherthing: Maybe someone should take that shovel off you as so you do not dig your hole any deeper.

Andanotherthing, Mcr (20/11/2009 at 17:21)

Careless Whisper,
20/11/2009 at 17:17

Read My comment. Have I mentioned her looks? At all

Careless Whisper (20/11/2009 at 17:36)

Andanotherthing: I do not wish to get into a spat with you.... and to be fair you have not commented on her looks- but your first comment attempted to put mine down. I just hate bullies. I was bullied at school for being spotty, skinny and wearing glasses. Now the spots have gone, no longer wear glasses, have a solid built musclar frame and am hung like a horse. Believe me. Women can't get enough of me. SO! I will defend any victims of bullying if I can. The sooner it is stamped out the better.

Andanotherthing, Mcr (20/11/2009 at 17:42)

Careless Whisper,
20/11/2009 at 17:36

Damn it. I detect humour, your six pack is well out of kilter. Call this a spat Me and Angie33 are at sixes and sevens.

PW, Manchester (20/11/2009 at 20:13)

Just shows you the fearsome reputation and serious gravity of an ASBO. You can terrorise a neighbourhood, wreck cars, brick ambulances and fire engines, drink cider and do whatever else that enters into your tiny mind. At the end of it, you are as despicable as someone who doesn't keep their dogs on a lead. I'll bet the trashy career-criminals and parasites have their knees quaking over that. Pathetic!! The law is an ass, and the biggest ass it's ever been. The 'law' is to blame for much of what is brought before it. You can interpret 'the law' as the judiciary and the lily-livered government behind it all. But it keeps them in their large houses situated way out of it.

garfield (21/11/2009 at 08:14)

ha careless whisper......how you said you are now in your comment made me sit up........do you have a girlfriend???????? only kidding lol.

Angie33 , Manchester (21/11/2009 at 10:27)

Andanotherthing.No offence.One of my New Year resolutions last year was to help the poor and ignorant.

Theowolfe (21/11/2009 at 10:40)

Another abuse of the law. Is it illegal to have dogs off the leash? If it is then prosecute on that basis, if it is not, then no crime has been committed.

She is now in a position that she could be sent to prison for doing something that is not illegal by breaching an ASBO.

The act of tagging this onto a previous conviction is a serious abuse of the justice system.

It is time to get rid of these totalitarian devices.

david savage (21/11/2009 at 13:55)

the law says you must keep your dogs under control it doesn't say you have to use a lead. many people have their dogs on a lead and they are not under control. I feel much safer when I see a controlled dog walking at heel or responding to instructions than a dog straining at the lead and the owner trying to pull it back.
That being said this person is obviously guilty of neglecting her dogs, if it was a kid she would be prosecuted for abuse by neglect.
Crap law but no sympathy.. there is another side to this.

Andanotherthing, Mcr (21/11/2009 at 15:17)

Andanotherthing.No offence.One of my New Year resolutions last year was to help the poor and ignorant.
Angie33 , Manchester
21/11/2009 at 10:27

As well as everyone else. That is serious dogooding.

Andanotherthing, Mcr (21/11/2009 at 15:22)

Theowolfe. It is illegal to open your front door kick them out to roam free and unsupervised. She only has herself to blame. But I agree that the courts are not acting in anyones best interests.

citizen x, manchester (22/11/2009 at 12:12)

these are bull terrier type dogs and so they shouldnt be allowed to roam free. what would the comments be like if these dogs had killed a child. the dogs need to be taken away from this person before something terrible happens, end of.

Pandora (23/11/2009 at 01:31)

She could be sent to prison for a non-imprisonable offense. What crime has she actually committed? None, if it´s against the law to walk a dog off a leash, I think you will find it is not then she should be prosecuted for breaking that law. What a farce the british laws are, and when is someone going to challenge them?

Careless Whisper (23/11/2009 at 10:29)

garfield: I have a wife and several girlfriends but always got room for one more.

Pandora (23/11/2009 at 14:58)

Careless Whisper, you sound like my late husband, perhaps you knew one another?

garfield (23/11/2009 at 15:53)

ha ha i bare that in mind!!!!

sugar n spice, manchester (24/11/2009 at 01:09)

all dogs should be kept on leads when out. i am a dog owner myself and have invested in extending leads with a good walk on these leads the dogs get plenty of freedom. many times i have had trouble from people with their dogs of the lead and out of control if everybody shown some consideration and kept their dogs on leads then it would be a better place.

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