What industry? don't they mean another set of empty warehouse units or retail outlets to serve the football stadium along with the fast food takaways. after all, we've had one of the worst years in decades for companies going bust, why build more units to lie empty.

Barton? What about the Irwell valley or rip up Worsley golf course, oh sorry! that's too near the councellors homes.

Just how much more suffocated do the councils of Salford and Manchester want their residents to feel? We have a little bit of open space anywhere and they want to fill it, with industrial estates, overpriced apartment blocks and retail parks. There's more to life than raking in money. I don't live there but work over the road and the traffic in the area is already ridiculously heavy with trucks going to all the container bases along Liverpool Rd. If you want to use that land to build something useful then how about building another prison so we can the scum off our streets?

Jiggerz: apparently the prison, which is already there has had a £3/4m facelift employs about 120 staff for 6 inmates. That's what I've been told by one of the local farmers nearby and I wouldn't be surprised.

That's what I've been told by one of the local farmers nearby and I wouldn't be surprised.

Mad Welsh Scotsman, Cadishead

can you ask them for this weeks lottery numbers as they seem to know everything, nice to see that the tories are against salfords new ground and a project to bring more jobs to salford.

Why not use the land near little hulton instead of just designating some patch of probably brownfield as greenbelt? Also, am I wrong in thinking that that part of Barton Moss is some of the oldest moss land in the country or something, making it environmentally important? I wonder how much Peel Holdings is paying salford council to sell out salford people (again)?

What needs to happen is protests to start now, as they would in the south of the country, before they have all the plans signed and sealed. Cause a headache before it is too late.

Regardless of where you live Labour Councils always decimate the peoples environment simply because Labour Councillors are not astute enough to even recognise their own feeble stupidity in not looking to the future and the Electorates need to have clean air to breathe and a reasonable open environment for future generations.
In the Greater Manchester region there are numerous thousands of empty commercial properties,warehouses,manufacturing units,offices and storage units,for sale,to let,for rent for lease etc etc,because Labour Councils and their members qualify success by obliterating City centres,
and any open spaces available.
No wonder the region is officially designated as one of the worst air polluted regions in Europe,and has the lowest tree cover in Europe at 6%,plus the most traffic congested roads in Europe,which add up to the"absolute fact" that people and childred are suffering serious diseasesv with the highest mortality rates in the UK resulting in the average life span in Greater Manchester being 7 years less than the national average with the strong links with air pollution PM2.5 Particulates which are filling our lungs daily.Just "check for yourself" if you need conclusive proof by simply searching "Particulates and Human Health"and read the confirmed facts.
After voting Labour 40 years my eyes have been opened to Labours stampede to destroy your environment because they are callous and favour Developers not the Electorate.
No Councillor in Greater Manchester would ever have the bottle to take me on in an open debate because after 15 years of fact finding, their rhetoric would be exposed as absolute tripe.

Since 1974, when Salford swallowed Eccles, Swinton, Worsley, Irlam and Cadishead, everything has gone only one way - downhill. Those Boroughs and Urban Councils had money in the bank, very successful social housing policies, were clean and busy shopping centres. They also had, by south Lancashire urban standards, a vast acreage of prime agricultural land [some 60% of present-day Salford], that was also a home to 80 species of bird, plus amphibians and mammals not found otherwise for many miles. If Chat Moss, Barton Moss, Astley Moss and Risley existed in the south of this country they would be protected and defended, not merely as Greenbelt, but as Nature Reserves.
The fact is that the Councillors and Town Planners of Salford, for the most part, are embarrassed by all this untidy green stuff with unleashed wild creatures running around in it. Some talk of "going green" and sourcing vegetables locally, yet give no aid or encouragement to local farmers. On the contrary, they pander to every whim of our local [owned from Saudi Arabia and the Isle of Man], property developer, Peel Holdings.
This monolith owns Salford Quays [ where much public money has been diverted from needy areas to make a monument to Councillors' vanity], the Trafford Centre [built on Greenbelt, a good working farm], the Ship Canal [much of the banks developed as posh housing, more to come], the Bridgewater Canal [ditto] and virtually ALL the land between these waterways. So, with a supine majority of the Council besotted and flattered by a company of such grandeur, why are we not surprised if yet another Planning Permission Application is approved?
The value of these 80 hectares as agricultural land is no more than £350,000. With such planning permission it is in the millions ! So , drinks all round at Peel, Salford gets the money, or at least "support" for another playground for the rich at Greengate , to rival the real city on the other side of the river.
Greenbelt under threat in Salford ? ALL of it.
Peel await the decision of the Secretary of State, in February, on their Racecourse, Equestrian Centre, Golf Course extravaganza on Chat Moss which will alienate a huge area to wildlife. It would also cause the greatest traffic chaos in the country at the Worsley Interchange. Then there is the Salford Port , City Reds Stadium and this new proposition - all of them on the A57, the artery between Manchester via Eccles, to Irlam and Cadishead. Already this road is at saturation point.
Other correspondents have pointed out the thousands of derelict Brownfield sites in Salford where such "job creation" would be better placed. But no, Green sites are easier, cheaper [ie owned by Peel] and in conjunction with their other developments [and need to have their value enhanced by conversion from agricultural use].
In the capitalist utopia that seems to be the Peel vision, no blade of grass is safe, no bird may fly. What do they matter when profit lies dormant in the soil, dreaming of birth to a world of cement, bricks and tarmac?
Shame on them and shame on a Council that facilitates such vandalism.
Flat Dweller, Eccles

Irlam and Cadishead should NEVER have alligned to Salford in 1974, these shortsighted Labour Councillors are completely clueless and this idea should never come to fruition.

I detect the hand of Peel in this. In the absence of any strategic authority for Greater Manchester (thank Maggie for abolishing this), powerful landowners can drive weak local authorities towards abandoning their planning principles. Where is the planning again here for local residents? Sure a few more low grade jobs, but what about Peel investing further in the local infrastructure beyond what they currently plan - including road, rail and tram. So what 98acres in Little Hulton is hardly going to benefit the people of Irlam and Cadishead - big whoop!

What point is there in commenting if your website editor does not print? I submitted a very full account of all the dealings of both Salford City Council and Peel Holdings - but you seem to have foresaken investigative journalism in favour of "sound bites". C.P. Scott must be turning in his grave.
Flat Dweller
Eccles

Apologies to all editors great and small ! You have kept the faith. Now do a decent interview with the Managing Director of Peel Holdings to make up for the orchestrated, dictated version that the Salford Advertiser printed.

"Since 1974, when Salford swallowed Eccles, Swinton and Pendlebury, Worsley and Irlam, everything has gone only one way - downhill. Those borough/urban district councils had money in the bank, very successful social housing policies, were clean and busy shopping centres."

Very good posting, "Goblin, Eccles, Manchester", keep up the pressure, I'm right behind you on this one me old son. Salford Council are POWER MAD - FREEDOM to the enslaved four towns!

Please join our SAVE OUR SALFORD GREENBELT cause on facebook and support our protest group in Irlam

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the facebook cause SAVE OUR GREEN BELT has , since friday the 20th november reached a membership of 206 as of 10;54 28/nov. showing that the peoples of salford are totally opposed to the proposed use of barton moss for industry. please add your voice to the growing membership, and together we can put a stop to this business.