Heroes.

This is the reason I can't go to my grandads grave in southern cem, being a 27 yr old girl I'm petrified of paying tribute in case I get attacked... what is the world coming to!

And if you speak ill of these types, someone will criticise you for being unfair! It's part of the general problem in my opinion.

thats just sick!

PW.Comments is for people to give their opinion.What if people come on and critisize that opinion.If you feel strongly about something you can argue that point or ignore them.If someone disagreeing with you is such a problem ,maybe you have a closed mind.The people who are the problem in my view are those constantly blaming others for the problems,in your case'do gooders' ,instead of selfishness and apathy over the years when many of todays young offenders werent even born.Turning a blind eye.Not taking any responsibility.On another thread you say'WE are all to blame.'Next minute were not.Its back to do gooders again.For some the answer is meeting violence and malicious crime with violence and malice,hanging and flogging.As its not legal in this country whats the point.You are free to demand the return of the death penalty.Whats stopping you?You are free to demand the return of corporal punishment.Whats stopping you?Are people who dont agree with you stopping you?No.People who dont agree with you see you as part of the problem not the solution in the same way you see them as the problem.You get out and about a bit judging by your posts.As capital and corporal punishment is illigal what other solutions do you have?What about all the people working with young people to give them hope,discipline and ambition in life.Are they all the problem too.Is Surestart,helping young parents onto the right track a waste of time?More 'do gooders'?The thousands of people working hard to change things.Not just talking about it.Do you disregard all of them and stick to your mindset-Going nowhere.Repeat the same thing every day if you wish ,but dont be surprisized when people dont agree with you,and are looking for realistic solutions,not for the entire country maybe,just for their own area,family and the things that affect them.That is the responsibility of adults.Some may never participate in any way other than moaning.Many others do take that responsibility seriously.If that makes them do gooders in your eyes,fine.What name do you have for the 'do nothings',those who take no responsibility for anything.Many people have more in common with the 'underclass' they try to distance themselves from than they think.Particularly apathy and selfishness.

Angie - Spaces and paragraphs would make your opinions a lot easier to read...

Angie, I have never seen so many despicable acts by an increasing number of despicable people, young and old. As such, I will call them despicable. This pattern corresponds with the proliferation of liberalist “punishments” or the absence of, that is all too common these days, and that is not just my opinion. The State gives too much help to many who breed for a living with no desire whatsoever to bring up decent citizens, and who habitually shy away from work. Simultaneously, it spends millions of pounds of more public money on an army of social workers and schemes in some effort to correct the mistakes. To try to pick up the pieces more like.

I’m a person who would dearly love to see people live in harmony with each other, but that desire is not present in the people I’m talking about. I have given 25 years of my adult life in helping a charity and young people. The area where I gave my services became so bad, I abandoned it for my own sake. Please don’t preach to me.

Young (or old) persons who hang about in graveyards to attack grieving relatives or who bombard emergency services with missiles for fun will get precisely the opposite of sympathy from me. I do not excuse them, and never will. It’s high time it was all cracked down on – hard. They understand nothing else, and that’s not my fault nor the fault of ordinary people.

PW.So what makes you think I disagree with anything in paragraphs 1 and 3 in your post.15.23.After all those years in the Scouts,and seeing and experiencing that decline, you have some experience and why shouldnt you comment about what you see as the reasons for that decline.I consider you to be a decent sort even though I may not always agree with you,I do challenge what you say a fair bit.If you see that as preaching then so be it.There are many people I wouldnt even bother to challenge.I contradict myself a fair bit.There are times when opposing things can both be true.Dont for one minute assume Im not as angry as anyone else about vile crimes and antisocial idiots.I have complained,written about,spoken at conferences,on talk radio etc etc etc for many years and to the point of mental exhaustion.I could see what had to change and got on with it,as much in my own life and attitudes as in wider society.At times I comment on the problems-as much as anyone else and at times say what I think could be the solutions.Im not afraid of anyone disagreeing.I consider what they have said and where they may be coming from,hopefully and as best I can without being defensive.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NANNY STATE GO GOODERS RULE THE ROOST, INSTEAD OF PAMPERING TO THE SELF RIGHTOUS IDIOT THAT THINK SUN SHONES OUT EVERY IDIOTS BACK SIDE, WHY NOT DISH OUT SOME TOUGH PUNISHMENT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, I.E. THIEVES LOSE A HAND,IFCAUGHT AGAIN, BOTH HANDS, IF THEY WANT TO STEAL CARS, SURGICALY MAKE THEM SO THAT THEY CANNOT BENT THEIR KNEES FOR A FEW YEARS., Cant drive with your legs stuck out in front of you, IF THEY INSIST IN DEALING DRUGS, MAKE THEM SWALLOW WHAT EVER THEY ARE CAUGHT WITH & if they survive then send them to jail for ten years, with no time off for good behaviour.DONT GIVE THE USUAL GUFF, OF WHAT ABOUT THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES, THEY GIVE THEM UP WHEN THEY COMMIT THE CRIMES.

NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER, BELIEVE ME

Common decency dictates that robbing someone at a grave is something you don't need to be threatened with a birch to refrain from doing. Maybe the 'no such thing as society' merchants might like to question their judgement as to what that credo has led to.
By blaming 'do gooders' aren't you absolving the scum of responsibility for their own actions?