MANCHESTER's gay community is supporting a campaign to clear computer pioneer Alan Turing's name.
Turing, a Second World War codebreaker and early pioneer of computing who was based at Manchester University, was prosecuted for gross indecency in 1952 after admitting sex with another man. He committed suicide two years later.
A petition calling for an official apology from the government over the scientist's treatment has now been signed by more than 4,000 people.
Support has come from Manchester's gay community - who have voted Turing one of history's top gay icons in a recent poll ahead of the city's gay pride week.
Andrew Gilliver, correct from the Lesbian and Gay Foundation, said: "The community have long campaigned for more recognition of Alan Turing and it is fitting that there is a statue of Turing in Sackville Gardens, in the heart of the city's gay village.
"We are strongly supporting the petition to achieve a posthumous apology."
Scientists at Manchester University's maths department - named in Turing's honour - are also quietly backing the campaign. But they believe further recognition of the scientist, who also has an east Manchester road named after him, would be more appropriate than a government apology.
Symbolic
Bill Lionheart, a lecturer who has studied the history of mathematics in Manchester, said: "An apology might have a symbolic purpose but there is definitely a
sense that he wasn't adequately recognised in his time and possibly still isn't today.
"Some people say naming a motorway bypass after a famous scientist is something of a back-hand compliment. It would be great if a more prominent street in the city or near the university was named in his honour."
Although Turing was rejected by many of his establishment contemporaries and his codebreaking access taken away from him by the British government, he did not lose his job at Manchester University and retained the support of many of his colleagues.
His colleague and mentor, Max Newman, a respected mathematician in his own right, provided a character reference at Turing's trial and reportedly refused an OBE in protest over the scientist's treatment.
Statues and blue plaques have been erected in honour of the Cambridge-educated mathematician.
Since the M.E.N reported the campaign, thousands more have added their names to the petition on the Downing Street website, calling for the government to 'recognise the tragic consequences of prejudice'.
Documentary
Among those backing the campaign are philosopher Richard Dawkins - author of best-selling book The God Delusion - who is due to present a Channel 4 documentary about Turing.
The petition was launched by a top programmer John Graham-Cumming, famous for inventing spam-filtering software.
Downing Street said they would respond to the request in January when the internet petition has closed. However, previous government apologies over historical injustice have been met with scepticism.
Former prime minister Tony Blair was attacked for expressing 'sorrow' over Britain's role over the slave trade, with some claiming the gesture 'irrelevant'.
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Mad Welsh Scotsman, Cadishead (25/08/2009 at 08:56)
Tezza, Tyldesley (25/08/2009 at 08:56)
Well I would have fallen off my chair if they had not supported the campaign.
To quote Monty Python “this is stating the bl@@din obvious”
Squire of Newton, Newton nr. Hyde (25/08/2009 at 09:16)
The craime stands ...i rest my case.
Acid, Chadderton (25/08/2009 at 09:18)
Tezza, Tyldesley (25/08/2009 at 09:23)
“Yeah, well ...being a member of the straight community”
Your straight?...............how weird,
I didn’t believe that you were allowed to say you were straight these days
Stu it Right, Manchester (25/08/2009 at 09:32)
Wind your neck in! I don't really agree that a dead man needs an apology for breaking the law but get a grip!
What we must now realise is a great man with a great mind killed himself over this. The shame and associated stress made him take his own life. Now that is something quite sad that should make everyone a little sorry don't you think.
James, Nether Alderley (25/08/2009 at 09:41)
Conversely what about things that are now illegal that weren't previously? Can we throw all foxhunters into jail? Once upon a time certain drugs were legal. Can we now go back and prosecute those that took drugs that are now illegal?
We seem to have this victim culture and also this culture where we are apologising for the past. Move on, people.
Almighty God, Salford (25/08/2009 at 09:45)
No need to go apologising to dead people over things other people did, but if they're dishing out apologises, I want one for the Neanderthals who were displaced and eventually made extinct because of our kind.
salfordrat (25/08/2009 at 09:49)
As for Squire of newton Heath, my god man, you cannot even spell the word 'crime' - which only makes your imbecillic comment all the more laughable. The natives of any other city in the world would be proud of this national hero. I am not suggesting that you should be ashamed of your mental opinions, just that you should probably go away and stop typing drivel on a public forum. I dread to think the kind of kids you lot are bringing up. More BNP fodder no doubt!!!
salfordrat (25/08/2009 at 10:02)
Wind your neck in! I don't really agree that a dead man needs an apology for breaking the law but get a grip!
What we must now realise is a great man with a great mind killed himself over this. The shame and associated stress made him take his own life. Now that is something quite sad that should make everyone a little sorry don't you think.
Stu it Right, Manchester
Almost well said stu. But nobody is trying to apologise for him breaking the law. The apology is more a recognition that the law was grossly wrong and that one of the great minds of the time was hounded to death (and chemically experimented upon) because of it.
So, what the hell is wrong with us recognising that this law was backward and barbaric and innocent people suffered for it, often with their lives. Even today many young people, boys and girls, women and men, take their own lives because they cannot live with the stigma of homosexuality. This can be attributed to the kind of peole with the kind of attitudes that have been shown on this board today.
salfordrat (25/08/2009 at 10:05)
Conversely what about things that are now illegal that weren't previously? Can we throw all foxhunters into jail? Once upon a time certain drugs were legal. Can we now go back and prosecute those that took drugs that are now illegal?
We seem to have this victim culture and also this culture where we are apologising for the past. Move on, people.
James, Nether Alderley, .
Can the MEN ban comments that make no sense whatsoever?
Squire of Newton, Newton nr. Hyde (25/08/2009 at 10:08)
Tough, it happened.
He was tried, convicted and couldn't handle the consequences.
You need to get a life and move on.
Andanotherthing, Mcr (25/08/2009 at 10:12)
Steady on Salfordrat, I do not see Mr Turing's memory as being vilified at all, quite the opposite. The great work of Alan Turing is now recognised not just here but internationally. A apology is unnecessary.
PS. Just the one L in vilified, I do not think that makes you an imbecile
James, Nether Alderley (25/08/2009 at 10:20)
salfordrat (25/08/2009 at 10:42)
PS. Just the one L in vilified, I do not think that makes you an imbecile
Andanotherthing, Mcr
I meant that certain people would rather see his memory villified on this board, as it has been by some of the comments posted. And yes, I realise that Squires mis spelling of 'crime' was a typo, I was having a pop. The thing that makes the poster out to be a complete moron was the actual comment, not his typo. We all make typos, we are just not all narrow minded bigots.
As for an apology being unnecessary, perhaps it is, but at the same time the sky would hardly fall in and it would send out a message that, as a nation, we recognise that we have made mistakes and are continually trying to better ourselves.
Regarding Squires argument about the law, I would ask him how he feels about the brave men of WW1 who were quite legally shot to death for desertion because they were suffering shell shock and could not face another head on run into enemy fire? Do these men deserve an apology?
That bit of fluff, under the sofa (25/08/2009 at 10:54)
dave clare, perth australia (25/08/2009 at 11:32)
citycentre, manchester (25/08/2009 at 11:49)
Maybe we should erect a statue to remind everyone of the harm that comes from busybodies and governments trying to interfere in how people get on with their personal business.
Zoomer, The Real World (25/08/2009 at 11:57)
citycentre, manchester (25/08/2009 at 13:04)
The law was overturned, in 1969
James, Nether Alderley (25/08/2009 at 13:25)
Seven years ago I was caugt doing 34mph in a 30mph. I took the rollicking off the officer, took the three points and paid the fine. Seven years on the speed limit has been increased to 40mph on that stretch, can I now ask for an apology and for my conviction to be quashed?
Acid, Chadderton (25/08/2009 at 13:44)
Sorry but WE haven't made the mistake. Turing DID make the mistake. He broke the law and he was caught.
citycentre, manchester (25/08/2009 at 13:57)
Didn't say there should be, it would be a little pointless now, as he is dead; if his memory stands as a warning to resit the continual calls to ban this and the other, just becasue some small minded, purient busy bodies dont like it, and feel that they should be the ones to decide how others live thier life then it may serve some purpose however.
James, Nether Alderley (25/08/2009 at 13:58)
Who is the 'we' in 'we as a nation'. I wasn't born until 1969 so I am not being held accountable and being made to feel ashamed. Perhaps ask the Prime Minister of the day which, depending which part of 1955 it was, could be either Winston Churchill or Anthony Eden. Maybe it is the Home Secretary of the day, Lloyd George, who should apologise.
What is it that they are apologising for anyway. Was there a miscarriage of Justice?
James, Nether Alderley (25/08/2009 at 14:32)
A gay friend of mine is of the same view as me so is he a homophobe?
No doubt there will be things today that are classed as wrong that in decades will be accepted, but if something is against the law now, even if morally OK,