THEY say the Beetham Tower is visible from 10 counties.
You can see it from Liverpool. You can see it from Marple. And you can certainly see it from the inner-city estates of Harpurhey, Miles Platting and Beswick.
But what do people there think when they look up at this great glass monument to modern Manchester, then look around at their own lives?
The Bishop of Hulme, Stephen Lowe, re-opened the debate this week when he claimed the regeneration of the city centre masked a failure to improve the circumstances, and life chances, of those living in estates nearby.
"The levels of poverty and deprivation in north Manchester remain a shameful open wound on our city's life," he said.
Now you can question whether the church has any business commenting on public affairs. On the facts of the matter, though, the bishop is indisputably right.
Despite all the regeneration going on in the city centre, Manchester's status as one of the most deprived places in Britain has barely changed over the past two decades.
In 1991, the city was 13th. By 1998, it was up to third. In 2000 it dropped back to seventh, before moving back to second - behind only Liverpool - in 2004.
By 2007, Manchester was officially the fourth most deprived place in the country. One in ten Mancunians were among the one per cent of the most deprived Britons - the majority living in a vast swathe of estates to the east and north of the gleaming city centre.
What does this mean for the residents of these areas? It means they are more likely to be victims of crime, more likely to suffer ill health, less likely to have jobs and less likely to see their children succeed. It means they are more likely to live in substandard housing, and less likely to have the skills they need to break the cycle.
Let's look at a couple of examples. Around 14 per cent of children in Miles Platting and Newton Heath achieved no GCSE qualifications - not even a single `G' grade - in 2007. The national average is around one per cent.
Mancunian men live on average four years less than those in other parts of the country and around one in four adults is either unemployed or on long-term benefits.
But the differences are not just between Manchester and the rest of Britain. Rates of lung cancer are four times higher in Beswick and Clayton than in Didsbury. You are twice as likely to be a victim of crime if you live in Harpurhey than if you live in Chorlton.
It is not that the local authorities are unaware of these issues. It is not that they have done nothing about them, or that all their efforts have been fruitless. `Sharing the wealth' is one of the council's guiding policies; until the credit crunch struck, unemployment had been falling and rates of educational achievement creeping up. But their powers to transform inner-city estates simply don't match the scale of the problem.
It was only at the last Budget, for example, that Greater Manchester's 10 councils were finally told they would be allowed to take control of providing adults with work-related skills. Until then decisions were taken by quangos and the government - distant bodies less able to understand what needed to be done, and how.
For local government, opportunities for large-scale, one-off interventions are few and far between. That is why the council - and, indeed, the M.E.N - took the morally difficult decision to back plans for Britain's first supercasino, in east Manchester.
It wasn't that they, and we, were unaware of the possibility of creating `problem gambling' in areas that could least afford it. It was that the need for 3,000 low-skilled jobs in Beswick was such that the risk was one worth taking. Then Gordon Brown decided he knew better, and took those jobs away.
It has become fashionable, as the government moves towards likely election defeat, to discuss the demise of `new Labour'. But the more pressing issue is this: what, exactly, has the party achieved in its 12 years in power? What has it done for the people who put it there, and who needed it most?
Certainly, there have been measures making life better in Beswick and Harpurhey. The minimum wage for example, the SureStart scheme, heavy investment in schools and hospitals. But the fact remains that for people in those wards - and many like them - equality of opportunity remains a distant prospect.
The fact remains that, more likely than not, their children will die sooner, having earned less money and achieved fewer qualifications than others just a mile or so down the road.
Perhaps the problems run too deep for any government to solve. Perhaps the lesson is not that ministers should have done more, but that it should have let Manchester do more for itself.
Either way, there will be plenty of people looking up at the Beetham Tower today not feeling pride, not even resentment, but that it is the symbol of something that has nothing to do with them at all.
MPs should Tweet about what's important
WILLIAM Hague used it to review Lady Gaga's performance at the Glastonbury festival.
Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd used it to tell the world about the mood of his dog (`happy') and cat (`grumpy').
Now Andrew Gwynne, MP for Denton and Reddish, has been using it to reveal his battle with suspected swine flu.
Yes, politicians can't get enough of Twitter, the website where users simply write a sentence or two about what they think, or what they have been doing, for the whole of cyberspace to see.
Perhaps it is the thrill of the new, and the dozens of MPs `tweeting' every day will soon dry up. I hope not, though.
One of the big problems with modern politics is the lack of direct, elected-to-elector communication.
If that has to be over the internet, then fine: only I do wish politicians would write a bit more about matters of concern to their constituents, and a bit less about what they have had for dinner.
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the Dodger, Yorks Manc (21/07/2009 at 10:08)
It was clear, even to a kid, that people were poor and there were problems everywhere. There was drinking, fighting, bad food and too much smoking and lots of ill-heath and early death.
As soon as I could I left and so did virtually all my mates.
Maybe it's much the same now.
nyb, ex manc (21/07/2009 at 11:12)
The existing people with poor diet, and alcohol, tobacco dependency, poor education are "lost". Unfortunately the modern education system is failing the young people, and their escape routes are now limited. The way out I and my generation had seems to be a thing of the past.
WO2 of 24 years (21/07/2009 at 11:37)
Ill health through smoking and heart disease through a poor diet coupled with lack of exercise is a choice! Failing at school is a choice, the teachers are there, the curriculum for GCSE's is the same regardless of the school or where it is. The kids from these areas make a choice not to exploit the opportunity they are given. Having children at too young an age or having them whilst you don’t work is a choice, this restricts the chances of moving area to find work. Improving your local environment is a choice. You can clean up gardens, not drop litter or daub graffiti everywhere if you choose to. Crime levels can be reduced, again it a choice of those who live there, simple stuff this, discipline your kids, teach them a sense of self worth, remove apathy and the crime will reduce accordingly!
Its all choices that many people who live on these estates in East and North Manchester don’t make. When the apathy sets in and dole dossing, committing crime and having low self esteme come into it then you get middle class lefties, socialists and Guardian readers blaming everyone else apart from the people who let the area become a 'dive'.
I know, I was born on the 'Colony' in East Manchester and my dad was a drunken low life and wife beater because they were his choices. But I was disciplined off my mum, we ate proper cooked dinners, did sport, worked hard at school and were taught respect. The result, all her kids have never claimed benefits and none of us have had the need to commit crime because we made the choice to get off our backsides and work.
We made our choices, let the dwellers of Gorton and such like make theirs.
I am sick of the liberal elite blaming everyone else on behalf of the 'dossers' instead of ‘dossers’ themselves for letting the areas go down hill like they have done.
its all choices.......................
Almighty God (21/07/2009 at 11:49)
PW, Manchester (21/07/2009 at 13:15)
Almighty God, you couldn't give the sink estate people any more help than they receive already. They just don't take it. They have NO INTEREST in bettering themselves most of the time. I know these people. An accurate parallel is that you can't just treat and cure an alcoholic or drug addict. You need them to play their part, and actually want to come out of it. I'll agree, it's a problem that no one knows how to solve. I'm stumped for one. There is a lack of self-esteem etc, but it is embedded and ingrained. Local authorities do try, and are always coming up with schemes, but it will never get solved, no matter how much money they try to throw at it. That is my experience and therefore belief, and thank God some people do rise out of it for a better life elsewhere. The opportunities are always there, and many teachers are always trying hard to give such kids a bunk-up. They just need grasping. Exceptions of course are for the genuinely ill and disadvantaged as I made clear in another post. People can be prisoners of their own mindset.
Jan Elliott (21/07/2009 at 13:21)
Ran Droid, Manchester (21/07/2009 at 13:48)
For starters, the minimum wage needs altering - who on earth is going to take a chance on an 18 year old just starting out when it's costing you over £250 a week in wages, NI contributions and red tape? It's why unemployment for 16-21 year olds is such a problem.
Then there are the Labour-run LEA's, and equivalents in the past, who have spent 40 years smashing down Grammar Schools with the end result that social mobility has ground to a halt, and smart kids from poor areas have to put up with a third-rate education.
Add to this the target-driven education system, along with the dumbing down of exams, and UK GCSE's have become second fiddle to international ones, which are what private schools are increasingly teaching to help their pupils.
The only way out of poverty is hard work and education, and Labour have seen fit to remove both options from the poor and instead throw them crumbs of comfort with client-state services like tax credits.
If we see it made cheaper to hire under 22's, the income threshold raised and adult education having stages of tax-deductibility, you'll see some improvements, but end of the day education needs improving to satisfy the childrens needs, not Ed Balls ego and career.
Angie33 , Manchester (21/07/2009 at 13:54)
Angie33 , Manchester (21/07/2009 at 14:07)
Bolton expat, Hamilton Canada (21/07/2009 at 14:52)
Social times have greatly changed since the post war housing estates. Those people for the most part were good living people and not out of their mind on crack etc.
I don't know what the answer is at all.
andy waytomakeacomment, Greater Manchester (21/07/2009 at 15:01)
Interesting post. And lengthy! Please hit 'Enter' for a new paragraph once in a while!
I think PW hit the nail on the head: when commenting on the earlier article, PW addressed the "poverty of the mind", which some might argue is where the cause of economic poverty lies.
Angie33 , Manchester (21/07/2009 at 15:07)
readersdigest (21/07/2009 at 15:57)
East Manchester is now a Ghetto a dumping ground for all and sundry it is not suprising local long term residents are leaving. It does not matter what new property you build what fancy names you give places such as The Way THE PLAIN FACT IS IT IS NOW WORSE THAN IT WAS IN THE FIFTY'S AND SIXTYIES WHEN THE SLUM CLEARANCES BEGAN.
nyb, ex manc (21/07/2009 at 16:41)
"Then there are the Labour-run LEA's, and equivalents in the past, who have spent 40 years smashing down Grammar Schools with the end result that social mobility has ground to a halt, and smart kids from poor areas have to put up with a third-rate education."
"The only way out of poverty is hard work and education"
Just about sums things up nicely. Tony Blair actually got it right when he said "Education, Education, Education." Unfortunately it was just a sound bite and nothing came out of it.
Jay B, oldham (21/07/2009 at 17:07)
but instead we do everything for them and give them benefits which they happily accept as they have to do very little to get this free money!
i was brought up in a not so well off family, but they grafted as hard as they could and i have worked hard myself to get where i am today. because i actually did something and didnt accept handouts!
if all these not so well off actually worked! did the so called jobs others wouldnt do then there wouldnt be the need for migrant workers! therefore you've took two examples of drains on the benefits system as well as the local authorities having to adjust to so many other cultures in the community! then maybe that money can be spent on other things which we'd all benefit from! nhs, policing, pensions, public transport and even the community!
i pay enough out in tax! i want to see some of it back being used on things i expect it to be used on! not just given away to the lazy!
salfordrat (21/07/2009 at 21:34)
Here we have a very well written, thought provoking and, at long last in the MEN, relevent column and the majority of replies are from people who seem to believe that being poor and uneducated is the fault of the poor and uneducated. if it was really as easy as making a choice, as WO2 seems to think, then there would be no poverty anywhere in the world. We would all be living in some sleepy Cheshire sub-urb, or some quarter mil' central Manchester apartment. There would be no crime because why would anyone bother if they didnt have to!?!?!
The concept that all anybody and everybody has to do to get out of the debilitating cycle of poverty and desperate hopelessness (that is the birthright of so many of us in Manchester and salford) is to pull themselves up by the bootstraps merely goes to show how the majority of people who read and post comments here, have very little idea of how the real world works outside of the pages of the Mail and Express.
As a salfordian who does in fact look at Beethan Tower from the distance, I feel cheated and let down. It doesn't matter how hard I work I will never be part of that elite. In fact, now that central Manchester is so full of 'apartments' and they are having to 'regenerate' surrounding areas such as Salford and Miles Platting etc - those of us born and bred here cannot even afford to live in our own neighbouhoods anymore. So, guess what this does. It breeds resentment against those people, the MP's, the councillors, the police and everybody else whose fortune seems to revolve around putting rich southerners interests above those of the working poor of Manchester. And so, the cycle of poverty is injected with a hatred and bitterness directed at those in power, both locally and nationally.
Non of this is new. There have been ghettos around the world since the industrial revolution and I bet those lucky enough to be well out of it said exactly the same as those on this page. I am wasting my breath of course but somebody has to say something sensible. I think I will delete my account after this because this is infuriating.
salfordrat (21/07/2009 at 21:35)
Keith Howieson (21/07/2009 at 21:51)
Rasputin II, niatirb drawkcab (22/07/2009 at 00:15)
Poverty of mind? Oh that must be streets filled with stray dogs and cats, loan sharks and drug dealers owning people, so-called public servants trying to help when all they want to do is fill out the forms and get out of there, having no choice but to live with all this crime, living with disease, worrying about your children's future, no carpets, no toiletries, chips and burgers for breakfast, dinner and tea, family's dressed in dirty clothing because they can't afford to get them washed, rubbish everywhere.
But above all it's the fact that they don't feel accepted by all you elitist, oh I'm a good person, I've got intelligence, I've made it, lot. You see poorer looking people in the street moving out of the way to the richer (or is it affluent) looking people. I was in a Que the other day and I seen a poor kid drop her toy onto a guy's shoes who was wearing a suit, the mother and father were at once apologetic and almost cleaned his shoes. Now if the guy with a suit looked like them it would be "oh you OK mate, kids eh".
You see, they would love to better themselves but they just don't fit in. They will quickly be judged by their accent and tossed aside as ..... well .... who knows.
Come on, admit it, you lot on here pontificating wouldn't want to live in this ??????????? would you. Roles reversed, you lot would be begging for help, too.
This is my favourite: Oh yes. Dossers. You think so. I tell you who the dossers are: They're the ones who can go to University without worrying about debt. They're the ones who can gallivant around the world on a gap year; all expenses paid. They're are the ones who lounge around at their parents house and decide which luxury car they're going to drive today, they're the ones who get pocket money off their parents for their dinner money, lounging around on their forefathers cash.
Good job we've got the poor to fight our wars.
CityCntr (22/07/2009 at 09:24)
Angie33 , Manchester (22/07/2009 at 09:28)
Angie33 , Manchester (22/07/2009 at 09:32)
Angie33 , Manchester (22/07/2009 at 09:53)
Angie33 , Manchester (22/07/2009 at 10:03)
CityCntr (22/07/2009 at 10:16)
Read my comments, you can make a change in your life. I do have empathy for those in dificult situations, but you can make things better for yourself. As for never being part of the elite that can afford swanky posh city centre appartmants, well that would not be a goal for me. In fact having re read your posts several times they are patronising to the extreme.