THE consultation into the proposed congestion charge has received more ‘negative’ responses than ‘positive’ – sparking a row over the figures.
Survey firm Ipsos MORI went through 81,000 responses from the public – 25,813 could be described as negative and 14,675 as positive.
However, they stressed: “Some respondents had a positive or negative attitude to at least one of the elements of the package, not necessarily that they had a positive or negative attitude to the package as a whole.” For example, criticisms of the existing public transport system would be classed as a negative response.
Stop The Bid campaigners say the figures are a ‘clear rejection’ of congestion charging.
But the ‘yes’ campaign welcomed them, saying people who oppose the proposal are four times more likely to respond to the consultation.
The bid would see more than £2.75bn invested in transport - from the Government’s Transport Innovation Fund (TIF) - including £318m to set up a peak hour, weekday-only congestion charge.
Some £1.2bn of the total would be in the form of a loan, paid back over 30 years out of profits from the charge.
A spokeswoman for the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive - which carried out the consultation - stressed the reponses did not reflect the level of support for the overall package. She said: “The information recently issued on the public consultation is not an opinion poll and it is not representative of district views on the TIF proposals.”
A spokesman for the ‘yes’ campaign said: “We know from experience of other consultations and other referendums that those who oppose the proposition are four times more likely to be engaged in the consultation than those who support it.
“MORI polling suggests support for the transport package is now pushing 55 per cent, and our private polling shows we have a clear majority in eight out of 10 boroughs."A Stop the Charge coalition spokesman said: “In a region where the average net wage is less than £14,000 a year, it’s no surprise that hard working families strongly reject paying more than a month’s salary on what is little more than a new tax.
“Most significantly, the consultation shows those who know the roads best, drivers who cross the charging zones five days a week, say traffic is just not bad enough to warrant a congestion charge.
In a boost for the bid, the Road Hauliers’ Association has said it will withdraw its objection if HGVs are excluded from congestion charging, as proposed in the latest papers from the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities.
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ebble, manchester (28/10/2008 at 06:26)
Just say NO.
NS (28/10/2008 at 06:28)
Much in the same way that the captain of the Titanic welcomed the arrival of an iceberg.
(wetsocks), Manchester (28/10/2008 at 06:52)
rlfan, greater manchester (28/10/2008 at 07:49)
Give us drivers our roads back & get rid of the bus lanes,because i for one resent paying £180 a year for the use of half of the road in rush hour
Rt Hon Dr Rev MC Spanner MP QC FCA FRICS JP OK (28/10/2008 at 08:31)
Ha Ha Ha.
It's funny that Manchester was the only borough remotely in favour. It says something about who benefits and who pays.
birch em all, just outside 3rd pricing zone (28/10/2008 at 08:36)
I am guessing the GMPTE have spent OUR money on this useless piece of information?
We are having a referendum on the C-charge so why do we need to know how people will vote?
Another example of our money being wasted. All this waste from our council tax cash, just wait till they get their grubby mitts on the C-charge cash!
JAM65 (28/10/2008 at 08:43)
Well what a surprise, do you think car drivers will withdraw their objection if they're excempt. It's pretty pointles with all the proposed excemptions.
Jay B, oldham (28/10/2008 at 08:44)
just a blatant tax on the working!
but we shouldnt get complacent! cleaver wording of the question and their current revising of the scheme yet again might fool some people. but not all!
so while the yes group continue to waste millions of pounds pulling the wool over peoples eyes us no's will stick to our self financed approach and win on the day!
Tax is all it is.
Chris Green, Chorlton-cum-Hardy (28/10/2008 at 09:05)
Another feature of Stockholm's charging scheme is that 14 of the 15 boroughs voted against the introduction of the scheme but is was forced through anyway. Is that going to be the case here also?
Rt Hon Dr Rev MC Spanner MP QC FCA FRICS JP OK (28/10/2008 at 09:09)
Why is this a boost? It now appears that Taxis, Minicabs, Buses, HGVs,etc don't cause congestion. Just taxpayers - sorry I meant cars.
A 12 month exemption. Let me think what will happen after 12 months. Maybe we should delay the vote until the study is done. How can we vote without the full facts.
"We still hold the view that hauliers will be better off without the scheme and a lot of our members will want to vote against the scheme for their own reasons."
That is wholehearted support from the RHA. Lis Phelan is really going to use that line in her Propoganda
Peter (28/10/2008 at 09:12)
Just say NO.
ebble, manchester
28/10/2008 at 06:26"
Look at the figures. MANCHESTER people can see that they are the ones that will benefit the most and pay the least and their results, are in effect, neutral. The opposition is from those boroughs where the people can see through the MCC/GMPTE spin and realise that they will pay the most and benefit the least - and be subsidising Manchester.
steve jones, manchester (28/10/2008 at 09:27)
johnnyboy, Ashton-u-Lyne, Lancashire (28/10/2008 at 09:28)
Gramsci (28/10/2008 at 09:31)
Rt Hon Dr Rev MC Spanner MP QC FCA FRICS JP OK (28/10/2008 at 09:31)
Manchester is so much better than the rest of the world. In other news, the Olympics which was budgeted at £2.7bn will now cost £10bn.
Don't believe the hype!!!!
Emjay See (28/10/2008 at 09:36)
Never vote for a thoroughly inefficient, beaureacratic collection of money!!
And to reiterate why pay back the "loan" which was our tax payers money in the first place.
Don't forget to vote no. Don't assume that it will be rejected anyway and leave it to someone else. Lets see if we can achieve a 10 out of 10 rejection of this ill concieved madness. Public transport improvement, without the loan NOW!
Iain Monks (28/10/2008 at 09:40)
The government desperately want this project to go ahead, so if the vote doesn't go their way expect a new vote with more carrots thrown in (like the full amount coming from a grant rather than a loan)
johnnyboy, Ashton-u-Lyne, Lancashire (28/10/2008 at 09:46)
Laura Norder, Didsbury (28/10/2008 at 09:48)
After all, they'll need a hobby to fill those cold, lonely nights as they stumble through outying towns mumbling: 'No, no, I told them no...'.
AlexisV (28/10/2008 at 09:50)
Couldn't have put it better myself. That knocks the nail right on the head.
Banana Boy (28/10/2008 at 09:53)
I'm not happy to put it mildly.
Lets see how it affects an average worker who drives into manchester everyday and passes both rings.
£14,000 a year = take home pay of £955.63. Thats 18.09% TAX!
Congestion charge £5 a day (at 2007 prices - lets pretend inflation doesn't exist)
48 weeks a year (presuming holidays taken away from manchester)
£1200 charge a year = £100 a month.
From take home pay this is another £10.46% TAX!
Lets go off the 2013 prices of £8 a day (the latest AGMA literature STILL states the £5 is at 2007 price)
= £1920 a year = £160 a month
this is 16.74% A MONTH TAX!
Give or take 1.35% this is like paying your normal TAX and National insurance TWICE A MONTH!
Can people really be expected to pay TWICE their monthly tax?
This has got to be the biggest tax increase in HISTORY?
Can someone flaw my maths based on my scenario above?
(13.4% a month congestion tax IF the 20% discount comes in for low paid workers FANTASTIC!)
Pentest 2, Hyde (28/10/2008 at 09:58)
Who in their right mind would vote to have a travelling tax imposed on them just to line the pockets of a chosen few ...nudge, wink.
citycentre, manchester (28/10/2008 at 10:08)
the business men amongst us will know the saying that a satisified customer tells four people, a dissatisfied one a dozen
people are more likely to comment on things they dont like rather than those they support; not sure if that applies to voting,
Polky (28/10/2008 at 10:16)
If ONLY Manchester vote Yes, then there will be a ring around Manchester city centre only and not the outer ring... Just like when the conurbations of Stockholm voted NO by 14 to 1.
john berta (28/10/2008 at 10:23)
Once that 'unbaised' question and additional leaflet explaining the (further)benefits of TIF hit the doormat, the undecided will vote YES!