Excellent news - more integration, please.

Greater Manchester needs more people to come and live here. It boosts the liveliness and economic vibrancy of the place.

Sadly though, most new immigrants settle in the overcrowded South East - where the message goes out that the North is an "uneconomic hellhole". A place where people should leave/abandon and not settle.

I don't see it as somethung to toot about.

Part of the reason that our economy is crashing is the money being eaten up in benefits. A considerable chunk of this goes to immigrants. Not racist - just a fact.

This sort of information is meat and drink to the far right, fuelling the fire, fanning the flames.

Laura, you are silly.

Manchester's history has always been based around migrancy. From the Romans, to generations of Irish, Jewish, Italian, Chinese, Indian, Afro-Carribean immigrants. It is part and parcel of this city.

I think you will find that most migrants take jobs and work better than us lazy brits. I say lazy because some of us won't get out of bed for less than £50 a day and the jobs these people take are already there, just the job the brits don't want to do.

Laura Norder, Didsbury
How can you call it integration? the idea of integratiohn is to blend in ?i dont see to much of this integration you write about.i see mosques being built and areas turning into third world market places? and areas totally asian in looks and feel.I think the words you are looking for is "Invasion".

Ace, does it ever occur to you that your comments might border on the racist?

Ace, integration is not 'blending in', its adding your own uniqueness to an already existing society, thereby changing the structure of that society. if you don't like it, i still maintain my offer of a free plane ticket to somewhere else. i'd love to see you trying to integrate in a foreign country - what a joke that would be!

Does everybody taking out citizenship, have to be employed, or is it a passport to the full benefit system.? I have to speak as I find and most of these so called citizens have no intention of integrating and if the truth be known do not even like us. I think the powers that be should listen more to what real citizens (black or white) of the uk want, as things are getting really tough and our elderly people are finding things very hard.

Integration has nothing to do with adding uniqueness, it's about adopting the native culture, not creating a pocket of your homeland, somewhere in your new country.

Call that racist if you must (although race has nothing to do with it), but that is what all immigrants SHOULD be obligated to do.

Australia has a system that requires measures of integration as part of the eligibility process, such as learning the native language to a competent degree and knowing some of the history. What's wrong with requiring people who want to live in your country, to be willing to live as a Britain in Britain and not be a remote island of some other countries culture.

'it's about adopting the native culture'

no, it isn't. i think you're actually talking about 'subjugation' because you seem to expect immigrants to come here and abandon their own culture in order to sustain your own. so what you're actually saying is 'come here if you like, but leave all your religious, family, political and societal beliefs at the airport'.

Ace,

At least the migrants would be able to spell the name of the great Bard!!!!

Migration when controlled and properly integrated is a huge beefit to society. Sadly under this government integration has not been encouraged and ghettos have popped up everywhere.

An innocuous comment about 'more integration', which is what these new arrivals are doing...and the 'usual suspects' that see any incomer as a threat to British society, want to have a go.

For heaven's sake, do you not see that the people that wish to become part of this great nation by signing up to our way of life, are embracing a culture that may well be alien to them?

Yet still they want to be: 'one of us'.

Until/unless UK people get the chip off their shoulder - that we still have an empire - we'll need incomers to do the work that the indiginous population can't/won't do.

We are all Foreigners be it on holiday or Migration.But i do agree with Ace on this one.When in rome!

Marc,yes it is about adopting the culture of the country and that includes Brits that have gone to live in Spain, that choose to live in their own communities and dont/wont speak Spanish etc. I myself am not a " little Englander" and spend a lot of time abroad and relate to the countries that I spend time in rather than what has become of the British culture........... .Andy ,Bury...pathetic comment.

I dont agree with the brits moving to spain and making small areas of spain into little britain,if they want to live like a britt then live in britain dont expect the spanish people to change their way of life.No wonder the spanish dont like us.And i would not move to a country that i dont blike so why do a lot of immigrants move to britain ,the answer is in our benefit system ."free and easy" (Its free and its easy to abuse.)

David, i appreciate what you're saying its just that, in my opinion, integration should change the face of a society depending on which cultures are absorbed. i think thats far more interesting and workable than saying that a culture should become entirely british if they move here. of course they should respect our laws and culture but its impossible for a foreign culture to become completely assimilated.

its also easy to throw around the racism card on a debate like this but i do think that Ace is being a bit borderline with his comments.

i find it worrying,that a friends wife had to go to this ceremony,to receive her passport,but the council were employing interpreters for asians and then issued them with britsh passports.i always thought the basic criteria was that the british subject should speak and read english.this government stinks,i am sick of the liberal attitude eroding our society,that thinks that immigrants arriving into this country,adds something to great britain,it does,nt.we need to get our youth back to work and with a sense of responsibility,the only intergration we need is to bring together the community that exists here already,adding a melting pot of people from third world countries,that will not intergrate into mainstream society,does not benefit manchester or the country as a whole,especially if we go into recession,it will make matters worse.

I dont want to live in a culture that resembles india or any other country come to that and i dont want my children living in a culture which dosnt resemble mine .if i wanted to live in a indian/asian culture i would have emigrated to a asian country,So when people come to britain to live they should respect my culture,rather than try and change what my forefathers fought to keep.And if they dont want these things and want a life that reminds them of home these people should seriously think of moving to a asian country.nothing racist about the truth.

Marc,

Ace has difficulty integrating into this society let alone a foreign one.

I have a question for everyone. What is this British culture that you are trying to preserve? Is it binge drinking, attacking asylum seekers (verbally or physically) and complaining about the weather? Or is it something else, in which case what is it?

I ask because I genuinely want to know.

All those against immigration (I'm not saying all your points are invalid) another question: Who will clean our hospitals, gather in the crops, clean toilets/streets etc?

Again I ask because the existing British people simply will not do these jobs by and large.

A final thought we are all immigrants be it Celts, Saxons, Vikings, Normans or the host of economic migrants who have settled these islands since the beginning of our history.

Ace, having read your posts for some time, I'd have to say that the biggest threat to the traditional British way of life and what your forefathers fought to keep is people like you.

The traditional British values which have stood the test of time are the ideas of live and let live and mind your own business.

The biggest threat to those values is people like you trying to turn the country into a petty, authoritarian nanny-state where every aspect of our lives is dicated from on high to keep us all in line with what small minded curtain twichers think is the right way to live.

As far as I'm concerned, British culture is whatever somebody in Britain wants to do, so long as they don't interfere with anybody else's freedom to do the same.

That's Black Flag's take on British Culture. Any more ideas on what it is?

For what it's worth I think he's half right but I think the flip side is xenophobia and excessive drinking.

Ignore the oft-repeated line about immigration being “good for employment and for the economy”: these are standard clichés to make you feel good about an issue that is obviously straining employment opportunities and health and social services.

Also beware the insinuation that opposition to unrestricted immigration is somehow “racist”.
In fact the issue of “race” is a side issue, which is used to confuse and distract attention from the real question. Which is, why has unrestricted immigration been allowed and even encouraged?

The answer, I believe, has an esoteric dimension connected with events that are fast approaching. The elite know what is going to happen and are working to exploit their foreknowledge while the broad masses, particularly ordinary Britons, remain completely in the dark.

It can be summed up in three words: MASS HUMAN SACRIFICE.

It has happened before in other civilisations that were nearing their end such as the ancient Druids or Aztecs. Only today most ordinary people would deem human sacrifice as completely unacceptable.

Not the elite though. Only they cannot conduct human sacrifice openly, as did the Aztecs and the Druids. So instead they have to use guile and deceit and fine talk about the “economic benefits” of immigration.

In reality such rhetoric conceals a dark duplicity, just as the ancient priests once spoke of ensuring next years harvest by propitiating the Gods of fertility, our learned “experts” – their modern-day equivalent – now speak of the “economic benefits”.

So although the elite cannot openly sacrifice people, they can work to secretly exploit their foreknowledge. They know that at the end of 2012 a geophysical upheaval will leave large parts of southern and central England completely inundated. So they are now packing as many people into these areas as possible: where millions, possibly tens of millions will die overnight.

These areas will effectively become killing fields. Used to sacrifice millions lured there by ignorance or greed and offered to darker deities for the benefit of the elite.

The signs are already there. Seasonal flooding is becoming a regular event in large parts of England and Wales. Michel Nostradamus once wrote of the Isle of Scotland, as if England were already beneath the waves; while Mother Shipton, the fabled soothsayer, wrote the following lines unearthed by a Nexus reader in the Mitchell Library in Sydney, Australia.

When pictures seem alive with movement free
When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea...

The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores, and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men...

Which is not to say all of England will be inundated. Some areas of northern England will be relatively safe but even here the population are being encouraged to migrate further south, for better employment opportunities.

In effect, a variety of so-called "experts" are being used to lure sheeple into what will become the killing fields of southern England by claiming its northernmost cities are "doomed".

(from The "Truth Seeker")

Ok Bean, that article has converted me. Now I too am a paranoid weirdo. All Hail Our Lizard Masters!!!