GREATER Manchester will have its congestion charge referendum on December 11.
And the man who will oversee the poll has also been announced.
Sir Neil McIntosh is the man who oversaw the 1999 referendum on Scottish devolution and is one of the most respected authorities on overseeing large-scale votes.
He was unanimously approved by leaders of the region's ten authorities during a meeting in Bolton.
Town hall chiefs also agreed by a split decision of 7-3 to stage the votes over a peak-hour levy for drivers in the run up to Christmas.
The meeting of the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities heard fierce arguments over the merits of a December referendum, which will be carried out by post.
Leaders from Stockport and Trafford councils argued that votes would be delayed during the heavy business period for Royal Mail and that the public's attention would be diverted.
However other authorities said that voters would lose faith in the process if the election was put back until January.
Sir Richard Leese, leader of Manchester council, said that all authorities had previously agreed in principle to stage a referendum this year.
He said: "People will start to suspect that there is an ulterior motive for changing the date. Indeed I suspect there is an ulterior motive for wanting to change the date."
But Dave Goddard, Stockport council leader, said voting turnout would be low if staged during the holiday period.
He said: "You just know how many of these polling cards will sit on the mantelpiece during Christmas. We should have it in January when the pressure is off people."
Although the poll will take place this year, the crucial wording, which could heavily influence the result, will not be decided until a further meeting.
There was also argument over whether new or old versions of the electoral register should be used. The list of eligible voters is updated by councils each December.
The majority of authorities said they would fast-forward their updating process to allow newly arrived residents to have their say.
But Stockport and Bury councils raised fears that they would not be able to change their lists in time, meaning some voters may miss out.
Business leaders had called for their own separate referendum on the city centre congestion fee.
It was decided that a separate survey of local businesses would take place in January but this would not be a referendum and the weight attached to the result would be decided at a later date.
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Jo14 (29/08/2008 at 14:29)
As for the date, anyone who will be affected by this tax will make the effort to vote.
Kiwi-blue, Christchurch NZ (29/08/2008 at 14:34)
Rammylad (29/08/2008 at 14:47)
BillyJ (29/08/2008 at 14:51)
Kiwi-blue, Christchurch NZ
What the Hell difference does it make to you? You have been asked this so many times before but will not reply.
Jomov (29/08/2008 at 14:55)
Another Lisa Moore me thinks!
Trueman (29/08/2008 at 14:56)
Make mine a double (29/08/2008 at 15:00)
To this Stealth Tax.
Jay B, oldham (29/08/2008 at 15:02)
Common sence will prevale and another attempt at taxing the people of manchester will be thawted!
Beaufort (29/08/2008 at 15:04)
Labour wants to ease congestion yet they will increase it and cause mayhem in our city just so they can have their conference. Why not have it an out of town place?
citycentre, manchester (29/08/2008 at 15:21)
wish i worked for stockport council
we deserve better (29/08/2008 at 15:32)
Debate and argue the pros and cons for years - then rush through the vote during 'the most inappropriate time of year.'
What difference would another few weeks make? (apart from avoiding the Royal Mail's busiest time of the year)
Yes, those who are interested will take the time and effort to vote but should that be extended to personally posting the ballot back to Town Hall to ensure it arrives?
Not having a go at Royal Mail but this decision has created for both sides, more credible grounds for appeal (than if the ballot was held in January) on the basis of missing or unaccounted ballot papers.
It simply beggars belief this has been approved. Sir Richard Leese, you kept that ace hidden very well and it shows just how desperate you are.
Steve Mangan (29/08/2008 at 15:34)
£2250 a year PAYCUT - NO THANKS - Paul Teeque (29/08/2008 at 15:49)
Laura Norder, Didsbury (29/08/2008 at 15:56)
I believe they are already planning their excuses as to why the C-charge will be welcomed by the overwhelming majority of residents entitled to vote.
Those in outlying counties - countries, even (Wales) - can lump it... move to Greater Manchester if you want your voice on Manchester issues heard.
kendomat, Salford (29/08/2008 at 15:57)
My questions are, what everyone on the first day of the charge decide not to use their cars, will transport/money be in place before the charge stats.
Where will th money come for improvements if every decided not to drive.
I would like to see actual results of good transport links, bus lanes, regular busses and trains that run later than 11.23 on a weekend before I have no option but to pay up..
On the other hand the congestion charge will incourage me to cycle more and pay nothing.
Mark,Radcliffe. (29/08/2008 at 15:59)
Black Flag (29/08/2008 at 16:13)
If the refendum is being held in December, then the weight that should be attached to a survey of businesses in January is zero.
If the result of the referendum isn't binding and could be altered by a separate survey a month later, then it's a pretty pointless referendum.
£2250 a year PAYCUT - NO THANKS - Paul Teeque (29/08/2008 at 16:33)
Guess what?
The REAL public are 70% on average AGAINST it!!!!!!!!!
Read it and weep Laura!
citycentre, manchester (29/08/2008 at 16:39)
i am not a spokesperson for the TiF bid, but as i understand things the transport improvements are to be put in plave (or mostly completed) and then, in 2013, the road charging would begin
if no one drives after that (although the chance of this is zero) other options are detailed in the TiF bid for repayment of the loan, which include increased fares
someone else posted them here a couple of days ago (we deserve better or once again on the fuel price/motorway story i think)
Snare Drum 54, Ashton-u-Lyne (29/08/2008 at 16:41)
Vote them both out along with the worst government ever seen in this country.
Barney Gumball (29/08/2008 at 16:59)
BettyBoo, CHORLTON (29/08/2008 at 17:27)
alderley (29/08/2008 at 17:31)
Andy2, Manchester (29/08/2008 at 18:04)
Stephen Morris, English Democrats Party, Bury (29/08/2008 at 20:18)
A government report on Manchester had a 10% drop in traffic from 2006 to 2007, this was before the increases in fuel.
They have budgeted for another 10% drop in traffic with the Con-charge, any more and the repayments on the loan will have to be paid by other means besides the Con-charge (either by increasing public transport costs or increases in Council tax).
OVER £300M TO SET UP
OVER £70M A YEAR IN INTEREST
OVER £30M A YEAR TO OPERATE
This is without a single increase in public services and at todays rate is close to 25% of the Tif loan gone.
AND HOW MANY GOVERNMENT PROJECTS HAVE EVER COME IN ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.