THE people of Greater Manchester could be asked as early as next year whether they want fluoride in the water.
But the scheme could cost up to £100m.
The possible cost is included in a report for local health chiefs who will have to decide whether to take the proposals any further.
They are now sending the report, which makes no recommendations, to the north west's 24 primary care trusts (PCT). The report outlines four possible schemes - costing between £35m and £102m to set up - for adding fluoride to the water system in parts of the region. But all of them include most of Greater Manchester.
The area has some of the worst dental health in the country with thousands of children suffering from tooth decay. In Birmingham, where the water is fluoridated, there are far fewer problems with children's teeth.
The British Dental Association say putting fluoride into some water supplies `could dramatically reduce the levels of tooth decay and give children a decent start in life'.
But anti-fluoride campaigners say it is potentially dangerous mass medication and oppose a public consultation, claiming people are being misled.
The report - by the Fluoridation Evaluation Group - also looks at other ways of giving youngsters fluoride including adding it to milk, giving out fluoride toothpaste, applying fluoride varnish to children's teeth and a public education scheme.
It found that schemes where fluoride is added to the water supply can increase the risk of fluorosis - staining on the teeth - but found no evidence that it led to a higher chance of bone fractures or cancer. If PCT bosses opt for a public consultation it would be run by regional health bosses at NHS North West and last for four months.
They have looked at four options: to add fluoride to the entire north west water supply (80 water plants); water supplied to Greater Manchester, Merseyside and parts of Lancashire (21 plants); Greater Manchester, Merseyside, parts of Lancashire and Cumbria (21 plants); 18 plants which supply most of Greater Manchester and Merseyside and parts of Lancashire and Cumbria. The schemes would cost between £2m and £6.5m a year to run.
Five-year-old children in Manchester have an average of 2.3 decayed, missing and filled teeth compared to 1.47 in the north west as a whole and just one across England.
Sheila Jones, from the British Fluoridation Society, said: "We would very much welcome a public consultation.
"If we had the same level of fluoride in water in Greater Manchester as there has been in Birmingham since 1964, 6,000 more five-year-olds would have not had tooth decay at all."
Steve Clarke, of Manchester Against Fluoridation, said Greater Manchester was being `sold a lie' by the pro-fluoride lobby. He said: "We are looking at spending tens of millions of pounds on something which doesn't work when the health authorities won't spend a few thousand on proven drugs for people with cancer."
Lester Ellman, of the British Dental Association, said: "In general most dentists are in favour of fluoride."
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felix, Liverpool (30/07/2008 at 09:57)
It is many times easier (according to NHS own statistics) to find an NHS dentist in Birmingham than it is here.
People in the North-West have little chance of getting an NHS dentist, whereas in the West Midlands that is not the case.
I would say that £100m would be better spent where it would definitely have an effect (ie. on Dentistry). At the very least, the comparison between the West Midlands and the North-West should not be used in the decision making process, as it is so terribly flawed a comparison that it is biased in favour of flouridation.
Gods Advisor, manchester (30/07/2008 at 10:37)
Black Flag (30/07/2008 at 10:49)
There shouldn't be a public consultation at all; the idea should just be completely dismissed. Medication is a personal choice, not a matter for majority decision making.
The MEN has been backing a campaign to get people drinking more tap water which has the slogan "campaign for real choice." By not immediately condemning fluoridation, they've proven that slogan to be nothing but spin.
If fluoridation takes place, I will be exercising my "real choice" and will start drinking a lot more bottled water.
ace, manchester (30/07/2008 at 11:31)
Vancouver, disposal of 1,000 to 7,000 pounds of fluoride per month was considered pollution. Yet, if city officials dump as much or more fluoride into municipal water supplies (5,000 pounds a day in San Francisco) it is called a "health measure."
Shawn (30/07/2008 at 12:14)
While I don't have any fillings - I'm in a minority and I think it's a waste of time.
When I was a kid I also noticed that everyones two front teeth seemed to be sightly forward or rabbit looking (that includes me) - I'm not saying it's the water, but what is wrong with just brushing your teeth?
In 2008 I don't see the point in putting it into the water here now - how much water do kids now drink - apart from the water put into their cola with their fast food meal!
Mr Manchester (30/07/2008 at 13:09)
That's all we need, Felix, turning on our taps to have a stream of pastry flowing out. Don't give them ideas.
joe stalin, Gorton (30/07/2008 at 14:12)
Sharon Ward (30/07/2008 at 14:33)
Sharon in Halifax, Canada
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl (30/07/2008 at 14:43)
No current research can show measurable ingested benefit. Even the CDC and ADA admit the benefit is topical. What they do not mention is at 1ppm in water there is no measurable benefit but they do imply it. At 1000ppm as toothpaste yes it also reminerizes as does calcium and magnesium and phosphate which nature uses. The FDA has never approved or even reviewed one ingested yet but sort of grandfathered it in as unapproved new with claim or use prior to 1938 but did not mention that use was a excellent rat poison. The Claim of thousands of studies proving safety and benefit when the 2000 York review showed not one single study was high quality bias unlikely. Even the Bias poor quality studies showed 15% or less decrease in cavities but then it could have been a cavity increase also.
The Product used 92% of the time is smokestack scrubber pollution with 20 plus contaminates. Many of the contaminates are radioactive as the plants also produce uranium. Not even a single study for chronic use has ever been done for safety,health, benefits. Many acute toxic studies prove it 25 times more effective at killing rats then natural calcium fluoride. At a low 1ppm the Varner 1998 study showed it took a year to kill 80% of the rats with kidney damage and beta amalyoid palack. So we have proof it is good for something.
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl (30/07/2008 at 14:57)
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl (30/07/2008 at 15:20)
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl (30/07/2008 at 15:35)
Redtooth (30/07/2008 at 16:40)
HulmeLouise, Hulme, Manchester (31/07/2008 at 00:58)
The public won't be able to stop it with arguments based on science and the toxicity of flouride. The only way to stop it will be as a result of financial pressure.
I, for one, will not pay my water bill if the water has fluoride added. I urge other people to make the same pledge.
They will only sit up and take notice if United Utilities is threatened with a huge loss in revenues if this measure is adopted.
(wetsocks), Manchester (31/07/2008 at 07:05)
Tubby Scruff (31/07/2008 at 12:09)
S P In exile, Tameside (31/07/2008 at 21:22)
Rip off Britain at it’s worst.
Sustainably Yours (01/08/2008 at 08:42)
local_lass, Burnage (01/08/2008 at 12:10)
Actually the local NHS will need to foot the bill. Ultimately tax payers will pay, it won't go through water bills.
Alison Nichol (01/08/2008 at 15:06)
Research worldwide strongly suggests that fluoride is responsible for other diseases including those associated with kidney, liver, thyroid gland, and reproductive organs. How these findings relate to the ingestion of fluorinated drinking water by infants is still under investigation.
When I was a child (ages 1-11) I lived in an area where fluoride was put in the water. Did it stop me getting cavities? No, it did not.
And another point to mention, in the fifties I believe fluoride was used to treat overactive thyroids. This begs the question, what will it do long term to a normal thyroid? I ask this from experience, as I now have an underactive thyroid, was it because of that early exposure to fluoride?
In any case, why should we put up with the possibility of being mass medicated? If you want to add fluoride to your individual drinking water fine, but why should the nanny state we live in be given leave to medicate us? Isn't this supposed to be a democratic society? We need to be given the choice (and if this gets pushed through, I will be looking for ways to remove the fluoride from my drinking water!)
Dina Baird (03/08/2008 at 15:06)
Jouls, Manchester (05/08/2008 at 13:48)