As reported in later editions of the M.E.N, leaders of the 10 local councils in Greater Manchester agreed that a poll should take place.
The results will be broken down on a borough-by-borough basis and only if people in seven out of the 10 authorities vote `yes' will congestion charges be imposed.
The government is offering Greater Manchester up to £3bn for public transport improvements in return for the peak hour-only charge of up to £10 a day.
The referendum is likely to take place in December and be carried out by post. A small group of council leaders will work with officers and the independent Electoral Reform Society to decide on the wording of the question that will be put on the voting slips.
Richard Critchley, policy manager for transport at the Greater Manchester Chamber, said: "This is the sensible way forward on what is a highly important issue for Greater Manchester's future."
Chris Wermann, of the anti-charge business alliance Greater Manchester Momentum Group, said: "This is the best possible result for Greater Manchester.
Campaigned
"We have campaigned very actively to ensure everyone had the right to vote on a scheme which we believe will be bad for business and commuters.
"This approach will guarantee the views of residents in every borough count.
"We will now campaign strongly for a `no' vote on current proposals, but acknowledge we all have a role to play in managing future congestion as well as putting forward workable ideas for managing congestion and funding public transport improvements."
A spokesman for the pro-charge business group United City, said: "United City will ensure that our members' view that good public transport is vital for business is heard loud and clear.
"While we wait to see the detail of the referendum process from the public authorities, we will also continue to seek amendments to the proposals in accordance with our members' wishes.
"We also wish to ensure that the total package is fair, transparent and delivers the maximum economic, social and environmental benefits possible."
The form of the referendum was agreed yesterday at a meeting of the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities - an umbrella body of the 10 councils.
Manchester council leader Sir Richard Leese, who supports the charge-for-£3bn deal, said: "I am confident that when the people of Greater Manchester look at what is on offer - and at a congestion charge that very few of them will ever pay - they will come to a conclusion it is a very good deal indeed.
"One that will secure the long term future of Greater Manchester, and one that will help us weather the economic down turn we are experiencing because of the amount of work that will created."
Susan Williams, Tory leader of Trafford council - which is against congestion charging - said: "I think this referendum will draw a line once and for all whether people want congestion charging or not."
Stockport and Bury are also opposed. Bolton had pledged to have its own referendum and the other six Greater Manchester councils are in favour of the charge.
John McGoldrick, a spokesman for the National Alliance Against Tolls, said: "Any sort of vote is considerably better than the scheme being bulldozed through by the authorities.
"But these polls are not subject to any rules and it means that the authorities can continue to spend millions on their promotion campaign.
"It is completely misleading for them to give the impression that this will be a fair and unbiased referendum with both sides being treated the same, though we expect that, as in Edinburgh, the majority of people will see through the glossy brochures from the authorities and the TV ads."
A 14-week consultation period on the charge will end on October 10th.
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MsD, Manchester (26/07/2008 at 07:09)
All aspects should be included in the question and the people will then decide. It's not rocket science.
rammylad, ramsbottom (26/07/2008 at 08:44)
MCC and GMPTA have already wasted £25+ on their campaign to railroad this scheme through, it would be sacralige to keep the question a secret until or the ballot papers are printed only for someone to call a halt for legal reasons, such as the question actaully being a lie. i.e. If they use the statement £3bn of investment in PT then that is a lie as £3bn will not be invested in PT.
ace, manchester (26/07/2008 at 09:33)
Matt Hulme, Hulme (26/07/2008 at 09:45)
I hear they have been getting results in Zimbabwe
Time for ZaNu Labour to go
Laura Norder, Didsbury (26/07/2008 at 12:33)
MCC and GMPTA have already wasted £25+ on their campaign to railroad this scheme through, it would be sacralige to keep the question a secret until or the ballot papers are printed only for someone to call a halt for legal reasons, such as the question actaully being a lie. i.e. If they use the statement £3bn of investment in PT then that is a lie as £3bn will not be invested in PT." - rammylad, ramsbottom
Great idea!
I nominate you, or any of the other anti C-charge faction that posts on here, for the post.
And if you're successful, I predict an overwhelming majority of Greater Manchester voters to support the initiative.
Don't delay, apply today!
rammylad, ramsbottom (26/07/2008 at 13:14)
I will buy you a box of tissues for the result night, girly pink of course.
Iain Monks (26/07/2008 at 23:09)
How much will actually be spent on transport?
How much will be spent on implementing the congestion charge?
How much will be spent on councilor's fact finding missions to holiday destinations?
Will the transport be in place before the charge (especially if, as with so many public works, it over-runs)
How much council profit will be made each year from the congestion charge and public transport fares?
How much will be spent on running the congestion charge?
dusty2008 (27/07/2008 at 11:41)
This will give the council members the push they need not to go through with any of the improvements for Manchester offered because they haven't the guts to stand up and say we don't want a congestion charge because most of the council drive cars.
Mike.....Irlam (27/07/2008 at 13:40)
And what about those that have no choice but to pay.
This idiot thinks we are all going to agree to pay £1,200 per year to drive our roads.
And what happens if we all use this new public transport how do they propose to make the repayments.
Where do they get this figure from that it will only effect 20% of road users.
Everybody that travels early morning into Manchester to their place of work will have to pay.....in my book that is 100% of the workforce of Greater Manchester.
Graeme, Manchester (27/07/2008 at 18:50)
then you need to update your book, Mike.
I don't know exactly how that 20% figure was arrived at either, and would be interested to know, but it's fairly obvious that 100% of the Greater Manchester workforce doesn't drive to work in the morning. Those that walk, cycle, get bus or train won't be paying a congestion charge, and neither will those who drive but don't go through the charging points at the charging time in the charging direction.
ebble (27/07/2008 at 21:17)
Let's save the referendum costs and the costs of all the pro-charge propaganda and just forget the whole thing.
The whole episode is an embarrasment for Manchester - tinpot councillors pretending they are running a huge metropolis that needs grand schemes rather than a middle sized city which like all other middle sized cities in Europe has no need of a congestion charge.
John Ryle (28/07/2008 at 00:29)
MsD, Manchester (28/07/2008 at 06:53)
Alan Kelly (28/07/2008 at 09:25)
You are naive if you think that people catching trains and buses won't pay the congestion charge. It will be called a bus fare or a train fare.
Once the loan repatments aren't being met by the con charge then we will all end up paying whether in increased fares or in council tax.
Caped Crusader, Gotham City (28/07/2008 at 10:03)
If the con charge is brought in they will be wiped out so is this a face saving way of avoiding this. Or are they hoping for a no vote so they can announce that they've "found" some money to fund this without the charge?
When they're about to spend £3bn on new nuclear warheads it's clear they spend more on the Russians and Chinese than they spend on Mancunians.
Munkey Boy (28/07/2008 at 11:28)
If you go to the website, all those questions in your post are answered in the documents they have for download there.
My understanding of the 20% figure is that of all the morning rush hour journeys made in Greater Manchester, only 20% of those cross a charging boundary in the Manchester-bound direction. 80% of morning journeys don't cross a boundary at all. It's not like London where everyone is charged wherever you go, it's only if you cross a ring.
rammylad, ramsbottom (28/07/2008 at 12:49)
You dress yourself up as being so full of facts when indeed you demonstrate you know less than most. Nowhere in the propaganda leaflet does it explain where any of the figures come from, why, because MCC/GMPTA made them up.
Munkey Boy (28/07/2008 at 14:01)
In Manchester, if you start inside a ring and finish inside the same ring without crossing a ring, you would NOT be charged.
That's the difference I was trying to communcate.