STUDENTS in Manchester have been slammed by war veterans for launching a bid to ban Britain's armed forces from campus.
Recruitment officers from the Army, RAF and Navy would be barred from setting up stalls at the University of Manchester students union for three years under a proposal to be voted on next week.
Supporters of the ban say it is "completely unacceptable" for the military to be allowed to recruit young people to fight in "massively unpopular" wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The student motion comes just weeks after a vote by the National Union of Teachers, at their annual conference in Manchester, which opposed military recruitment campaigns in schools. Undergraduates at University College London have also adopted a similar ban.
The Ministry of Defence said yesterday that it was "disappointed" that students in Manchester were seeking to bring in a ban on the military while Macclesfield MP Sir Nicholas Winterton, who completed National Service, labelled the plans `an utter disgrace'.
He said: "I am absolutely appalled at this. Our armed forces are the best in the world and have a history of standing up to protect our freedoms.
"Perhaps these students should recognise that historically it is because of our armed forces that they have the opportunity to go to university and gain qualifications."
Myopic
Sir Nicholas, who campaigns on behalf of the armed forces in Parliament, added: "These brave young boys and girls do not ask to go to Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the government's decision. This view if I may say seems rather myopic."
War veteran Martin Watkins, the Royal British Legion's county chairman for Manchester, also condemned the move, saying: "Perhaps these people should bear in mind that the average age of people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan while fighting for the freedoms they take for granted is 22."
Mr Watkins, 62, who served in the Royal Air Force for 27 years, added: "Their reaction should be compared to students at Nottingham University. They came to Manchester and raised £25,000 for the Poppy Appeal."
The ban on the military at Manchester University would last for three years if it is approved next Wednesday.
The proposal states: "It is completely unacceptable for military recruiters, whose purpose is to recruit young people to fight and die in massively unpopular wars, to target us in our educational establishments.
"It is disgraceful that military propaganda is focused on the excitement of military life, and targets students with economic problems on the basis of a well paid job, obscuring the reality of military life and wars being fought."
It has been put forward by Andy Cunningham, who has a full time job as students' union campaigns officer. He said the move reflects ongoing opposition among students to the forces' involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and he claimed the armed forces are increasingly targeting students, who can see involvement with the forces as a way of escaping from student debt.
Mr Cunningham said: "Usually we don't like the military on campus anyway. And this would give us official policy of not welcoming the Ministry of Defence on campus.
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"There is a large officer training corps on campus that has strong links with the university. If this is successful we will be looking to the university to sever their links as well."
The vote has sparked outrage among students who are members of the Manchester and Salford Universities Officer Training Corps, which is a branch of the Territorial Army aimed specifically at higher education students.
They are mobilising members to attend the meeting and vote down the proposal and nearly 800 people have joined a group on the website Facebook to campaign against the proposed ban.
Ministry of Defence spokesman Greg Stringer said: "It is disappointing that these students are proposing to ban military personnel from the student union buildings.
"Universities play an important role in raising awareness among young people about the important work our armed forces do and we enjoy a good relationship with most universities. However people view specific military operations everyone should be able to respect the brave and professional job that our armed forces perform."
Army spokesperson Martine McNee said the army is "disappointed" by the move. She stressed that the army only goes to venues where they are invited. And she says that university students are capable of making up their own minds about the armed forces, based on the information they are given.
"We have as much right as any other organisation - be it the police or the construction industry - to be invited, but we don't do anything unless we are invited," she said.
"It is a bit disappointing that people would make decisions like this when they don't know the full facts.
"They don't know the good things that our service people are doing or the operations that they are in. They are doing a great job very professionally. No matter what your political leanings are you can't argue with that.
"Whether you agree with them being there in the first place that is by the by. They are doing an awful lot to help people, especially in places like Afghanistan."
A spokesman for Manchester University said the students' union had control over the students' union buildings and the events that occurred there.
What do you think of the plan to ban the army from the students' union? Have your say.
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The Rt Hon Dr Rev MC Spanner MP QC FCA FRICS JP OK (26/04/2008 at 08:55)
As most of these layabouts won't get out of bed in time for the vote and I assume the 800 members of the OTC will be there in force - this nonsense should be defreated easily. If the OTC have any sense they will call for the sacking of the campaigns officer in an amendment
Matthew Wright (26/04/2008 at 09:32)
Proud Mancunian (26/04/2008 at 09:40)
They are not Shanghaiing anybody into the armed forces. They just offer careers and advise to anybody who wants to listen. If you wouldn't be interested then don't attend. Is it me or are students not happy unless complaining
Voter (26/04/2008 at 09:47)
Hamish Macbeth, Whitefield (26/04/2008 at 09:59)
The Labour Government after all took us into Iraq and Afghanistan - it wasn't a choice made by the Armed Forces.
But I suppose that will be different!
Hamish Macbeth, Whitefield (26/04/2008 at 10:15)
Just prior to a recession we have a major recruiter of graduates being banned from going onto the campus to encourage people to get a job with them.
The Labour Government took the UK into Iraq and Afghanistan, will Andy Cunningham ban the Labour Party from campus too!!
Oldtimer, Stockport (26/04/2008 at 10:23)
stevie50, Salford (26/04/2008 at 11:07)
The Army does not decide where it fights its wars, that`s down to the failure of governments.
I hope this stupid motion is defeated easily, then they`ll know what democracy is.
Giles, Voice of City Fans (26/04/2008 at 11:19)
It wasn't the Army that took us to war it was Labour.
ace, manchester (26/04/2008 at 11:24)
Steve Pottage (26/04/2008 at 11:31)
The Voice of Reason, Manchester (26/04/2008 at 11:40)
However, it is not within the remit of Mr Cunningham to deny the British Armed forces the right to recruit personnel within the student population. The UK armed services perform a unenviable task, it is done by people who are brave and unflinching in the service of their country. Mr Cunningham may dislike their loyalties and their views but the UK is a democratic society, which are based upon the sacrifices that previous armed service personnel made.
It will be an absolute disgrace, if the 'yes' vote is passed, people need to take stock, armed service personnel helped create our democracy, try holding a similar student vote in Bejing or the like.
Follow that 'cause' Mr Cunningham, however, maybe thats not a vote grabber or soft enough target for a armchair socialist?
steve cowley (26/04/2008 at 11:53)
all students do is moan and sponge off the state and thier parents and when they leave they moan again about being in debt, tough life but believe me it is not as tough as life in the armed forces so get a grip, there is not national service so if these so called students are intelligent then they will understand that they don't have to join. there are many educated people in the armed forces and many officers if not most have university degrees and nobody forced them into it.
i am disgusted with this story that the armed forces should be stopped recruiting in any place within our own country, perhaps if more joined then they would see a different life and not the streets and drugs and crime. i would love to sort them out with firm but very fair discipline and a career and money for them to enjoy life and turn to gang crime.
bluelight, Levenshulme (26/04/2008 at 12:00)
I would describe my views as liberal and I was involved in a few protests against government policy whilst studying.
However, I found myself disillusioned by the whole process of student politics. People like Mr Cunningham, with little experience of life outside of the student bubble, go around behaving like tyrants because the vast majority of students are apathetic.
Minorities rule the university and that is why I switched off. It's not the real world, it's merely a manifestation of the symptoms of advanced democracy.
Mr Cunningham sounds like your classic political activist who identifies problems without solutions. What does he think the armed forces would be like if the well educated were excluded from recruitment?
He has no idea.
ebble (26/04/2008 at 12:01)
MsD, Manchester (26/04/2008 at 12:27)
Anthony-Paul Cooper (26/04/2008 at 12:30)
Also remember the members of the Facebook group (almost 900) who also oppose this crazy motion!
PW, Manchester (26/04/2008 at 12:31)
Perhaps when these students have actually contributed something to the country they live in, they would then have a genuine right to dictate what goes on. Inmates taking charge of the asylum, it seems.
Come-On-City. Manchester, formerly of Brooklyn. (26/04/2008 at 13:29)
Is that what they do? You know I could repect peoples views here alot more if they wouldn't resort to such stupid stereotypical comments.
As for the students, its a free country so they can do what they want (ironically a free country because of the armed forces).
It hasnt happened yet so people should relax and wait for the outcome.
The university has also banned companies who have connections with armed dealership. They have also banned Coca Cola and Nestle becuuse of ethical issues, so they are not just picking on the armed forces.
alvinlwh (26/04/2008 at 13:30)
The Rt Hon Dr Rev MC Spanner MP QC FCA FRICS JP OK (26/04/2008 at 13:53)
Ace, who is we? Who are you representing? Is it the National Federation of Birch Manufacturers? The BNP? Who is we?
In one sentence you talk about the people who fought for free education and in the next you talk about dictatorships and not having free education?
Now I know this makes me a liberal (even though I am not) for being educated and for pointing out your error but I can only assume you are a comedian trying to get a few cheap laughs?
Proud Mancunian (26/04/2008 at 13:56)
derick (26/04/2008 at 15:08)
Stephen Whelan (26/04/2008 at 15:35)
The military are by rights only doing there job.Yes I know there is a fine line, the fact is there always will be!
Without them and the nation we all love IS underthreat regardless of how you want to dress it up.
These students are right it is an unpopular war - what do they want a popular one then it`s ok?????????????
Get in the real world!
Rowlands (26/04/2008 at 17:01)