Gun crime up 4 per cent

January 24, 2008

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10,182 firearms offences in the year to last September

GUN crime has risen by four per cent in England and Wales, the Home Office said today.

There were 10,182 firearms offences in the year to last September compared with 9,755 in the previous 12 months.

And the number of recorded drug offences jumped 21 per cent in the third quarter of last year. The wider picture showed overall recorded crime falling by nine per cent to 1.24m offences from July to September, compared with the previous year.

Violence against the person fell by eight per cent and robbery by 17 per cent. But there was a four per cent rise in slight injuries to 2,728.

The British Crime Survey, a separate set of figures based on interviews with members of the public, said crime had remained stable.

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ace, manchester (24/01/2008 at 12:14)

You cannot beleive what this government says one minute they have beaten violent crime then another day when they want to bury some money or bad news they say they are not.VOTE THEM OUT.

jomov, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 12:21)

Arm the police then put them on the streets to combat gun crime.

alvinlwh (24/01/2008 at 12:22)

I had said many times, hang the drug dealers and you solved half the problem.

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 12:37)

Argh!!!!!!!!!

This papers annoys me!!

Crime is down 9% yet which headline do they use to scare people and get them all worked up???

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 12:41)

Can I guess the posts that will be on here:

Hang people (to show that killing people is wrong?)

Arm the police (yep that worked in America.)

Hit Squads (what you think this is a facist state?)

Put them in the army (the army isnt a babysitting service for society.)

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 12:44)

alvinlwh

I agree with you, except the hanging part.

Stop the head honcho's of drug crime and you stop children being groomed into it, who sooner than later become a big problem.

wayneold, manc (24/01/2008 at 13:00)

Make them watch City every weekend:
1. keeps them off the streets
2. they will be so bored they'll want to watch MoTD to see real footy!

alvinlwh (24/01/2008 at 13:43)

come-on-city, other than hanging (or other forms of capital punishment), how else can you get rid of the drug dealers? Send them to the holiday resort called prison? Knowing how 'secured' the prisons really are, they will just carry on running their drug empires on the inside, and get their benefits when they are released, which will be soon enough as the prison place they are taking up are needed for drivers using their mobile while driving.

Of course killing is wrong, that is why killers should be show how it felt like to be killed.

Crime is down eh? So I bet the father that was kicked to death, the guy that was shot dead and the girl that was stabbed are all just fairy tales made up by the MEN?

jomov, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 13:44)

Come on city - facing up to facts may not be your strongest feature but at what point will you realise things have got to be done and nothing else will suffice?

As grim as it sounds - the death penalty and other harsh sounding measures are the only solution to this grim place the UK is becoming.

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 14:16)

"Crime is down eh? So I bet the father that was kicked to death, the guy that was shot dead and the girl that was stabbed are all just fairy tales made up by the MEN?"

Yes crime is down.

You pick out the most unfortunate and sick cases to back up your thought that crime is out of control much like the MEN. These are the minority of cases not the rule - in other words they are the exception.

See todays figures and look at figures from the 80's and 90's - back then it was worse.

jb manchester, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 14:17)

People seem to be missing the point about this article, it is another case of the Police fiddling the figures, they claimed gun crime had gone down last year but failed to say that the figures were only up to September, yet now, surprise surprise the figures have gone up, its so easy for them to manipulate the figures for justifying operations such as Xcalibure and MMAGS which are both ineffective and expensive schemes set up to look as if the police are doing what they're paid to do which they're clearly not, and they want their pay backdated?? What a joke

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 14:24)

The British Crime Survey which is the most authoritive body on crime as they include non-reported as well as reported says that crime is stable, and has actually steadily fallen since the 1980's.

Yet you acuse me of not accepting facts?

The MEN and every other media outlet cherry picks whichever crime subheading as risen to scare the living you know what out of you.

We are told it has risen by 4% from last year to now. However what is the overall trend? Over 10 years? 20 Years? You will find it has fallen.

jomov, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 14:26)

I don't care about the figures - these are fixable.

I only have to see for myself what is going on. I don't base my opinions soley on what MEN reports - but neither do I think MEN is making these reports of murder, robbery and brutal attacks up.

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 14:27)

"Police fiddling the figures"

Actually they cannot. This is not a study by the police nor is it actually the government.

The BCS includes crime that isnt reported through victim interviews - which the government hates as it means figures will be higher.

They are as close to the actual true picture of crime that you are going to get.

ace, manchester (24/01/2008 at 14:30)

come-on-city
In the east of manchester twenty five years or more ago the most you ever got was a fight outside a pub on a friday night or your car stereo was knicked. now in the same area we have muggins killings and most nights we have kids driving motorbikes around stealing cars and a lot of other violent crimes,I was born in longsight in the 1950s right through my childhood the most crime i ever remember was a fight on the local croft outside a pub and the odd kid smashing a window or two now they have drive by shootings (a lot not not registered)A lot of fights every night and pubs being used as drug outlets? so your theory that it was worse years ago dosnt hold water.

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 14:40)

Ace its not a theory it is fact.

Well first of all you are showing a classic case of things are not how they used to be syndrome. You were a kid back then - what kid do you know looks at crime figures?

Second just because you didnt see it doesnt mean it didnt happen, or happen elsewhere.

Ive never seen any crime in Moss Side, yet Im not stupid to believe that because I dont see it, it means it doesnt happen.

I read alot of history, especially Manchester, and it wasnt a rosey place back then just as much as now.

jb manchester, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 14:43)

The BCS is a HOME OFFICE survey which is the government and the figures that were released are given at the appropriate time to justify their knee jerk reactions to gun crime. The BCS also fails to capture the reports from people in prison, people of no fixed abode and people under eighteen so the figures are not a true reflection of what is going on in our society today

alvinlwh (24/01/2008 at 14:54)

Of course crime is down, the police don't even bother turning up for a break-in-in-progress call now. So such 'minor' crimes are not included in the numbers. If you looked at 10, 20 or 30 years ago, police will actually turn up and investigate those crimes, and they will be included in the figures.

alvinlwh (24/01/2008 at 14:57)

"A MAN had his finger sliced off during an attack in his own home by knife-wielding robbers."

Another fairy tale headline from the MEN again?

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 15:11)

Forget it you lot.

You are all convinced crime is out of control and things are not how they used to be blah blah blah.

You use every cherry picked story by the MEN to convince yourself of your theory and ignore everything else against it.

Might I add that there were horrible stories just as much 30 years ago as there are now.

mylifeinthemafia (24/01/2008 at 15:21)

come-on-city, I do admire you! Story after story you seek to justify the actions of people who you consider to be less fortunate than yourself in the face of a barrage of abuse from posters with radically different political outlooks. Keep up the good work!

jomov, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 15:21)

Totally convinced.

Take your head out of the sand!

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 15:32)

Jomov

"death penalty and other harsh sounding measures are the only solution"

How is this so, the only solution as you say?

jomov, Manchester (24/01/2008 at 15:50)

come on city - it is only common sense to realise that if someone has behaved badly but has not been punished severely enough then there is a high chance that person my commit this crime again.

If you stick someone in prison these days it's just like staying at some b&b..you get your tv, your radio, warm bed etc.

Put them into something that you'd think would resemble a cell (maybe from victorian times) then maybe that person might refrain from doing the crime in order to say out of prison!!!!

come-on-city (24/01/2008 at 15:59)

jomov, Manchester

First. You may kill that one person so he doesnt commit crime again. But you will have a never ending line of people to kill if you dont prevent crime rather than reacting to it.

Second. I am sick of hearing how prisons are 'cushy' places. They are not.

I believe the government thinks that a person stuck in a cell with no comforts at all will find it much harder to re-enter society after being isolated and therefore more likely to re-offend.

I dont know if I agree with that or not, but I post it to balance the ridiculous - dont give them a tv! - yep that will stop crime!

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