PUB landlords could be prosecuted for allowing customers to smoke
OUTSIDE their bars.
Police want to cut down on the large groups of drinkers who gather on pavements next to pubs and clubs after they were banned from lighting up inside.
Officers say the smokers can pose an `environmental hazard' by blocking the pavement, creating too much noise and increasing the potential for trouble.
They suggest landlords allow no more than 15 people to smoke outside their premises at any one time. The latest anti-smoking drive comes four months after a nationwide ban on anyone lighting up inside public buildings and work places.
But landlords say the new proposal would be impossible to enforce. One bar owner said it was `absolutely ludicrous'.
Any pub which is reported for creating an environmental hazard can be inspected by council officials and face prosecution if the landlord fails to act.
Staff at Night And Day on Oldham Street, Manchester, have placed notices on the door warning that only 10 people are allowed to stand outside and smoke at a time.
It is understood the bar received a visit by environmental health officers following complaints from local residents. However, the council said it had no record of any contact with the bar. Police raised the issue of smoking outside bars at a stormy meeting with the Manchester Pub and Club Network (MPCN) - which represents more than 500 landlords.
Sgt Gareth Parkin, from the City Safe team, said: "We are working with pubs, clubs and bars to offer information and advice about crime prevention and safety. We want to come up with ideas for how best to manage crowds who gather outside pubs and clubs to smoke. Our aim is to assist the licensees."
Phil Burke, of the MPCN, acknowledged that pub landlords would have to address the problem. But he said many were opposed to yet more regulations.
He said: "When the idea to limit smokers outside to about 15 was first suggested it got quite heated."
One Manchester city centre landlord, who did not want to be named, said: "It's ridiculous. The only way we would be able to limit numbers smoking outside is by holding people in venues against their will, which could cause a riot."
A council spokesman said: "We would certainly respond to any complaints or concerns we receive about crowds gathering outside licensed premises.
"We have not set limits for the number of people allowed to smoke outside licensed premises and we work closely with pub and club managers, the vast majority of whom manage their premises very well."
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mybritain.wordpress.com (19/11/2007 at 08:36)
When they thought about the smoking ban indoors, did no one wonder where all the smokers were going to go, or did they think everyone would give up right away?
I'm all for the smoking ban, I hate smoke, but this sounds ludicrous and not thought out at all.
Mike, Manchester (19/11/2007 at 08:37)
This is probably unenforceable though as most coppers are busy catching real criminals aren't they?
John, Salford (19/11/2007 at 08:55)
Batfink, Manchester (19/11/2007 at 09:04)
(Temporary) Aussie Blue, Perth, Australia (19/11/2007 at 09:16)
p-woodhouse, gorton (19/11/2007 at 09:33)
RJKS (19/11/2007 at 09:46)
Princess_Pam, Crumpsall (19/11/2007 at 09:58)
JohnB, Manchester (19/11/2007 at 09:59)
Anthony, Accrington,Lancs (19/11/2007 at 10:06)
AH, Manchester (19/11/2007 at 10:29)
Fee, Radcliffe (19/11/2007 at 10:31)
Back in the summer I frequently saw people having to walk into the road to get past large groups of people stood on the pavement smoking.
Add to this the fact that they had also tanked up on 'brave juice' and you could clearly imagine what their language was like, particularly if a pretty young woman walked past.
I think the law as it stands is probably impossible to police, but I hope that when licences are due for renewal or at the time of application smoking facilities will be considered before any licence is granted.
The Bobelesque (19/11/2007 at 11:17)
Black Sabbath (19/11/2007 at 11:28)
Mark,Radcliffe. (19/11/2007 at 11:31)
CHRIS WHITTAKER (19/11/2007 at 11:31)
Mr Angry, Bury (19/11/2007 at 11:36)
Princess_Pam, Crumpsall (19/11/2007 at 11:45)
BTW The pic you show of smokers outside via shows how ridiculous this is. The roadway is pedestrianised and traffic is forbidden at night so there is plenty of room to pass.
Ms D, Manchester (19/11/2007 at 11:50)
Jimc (19/11/2007 at 12:13)
j from clayton, manchester (19/11/2007 at 12:44)
Rosie's mum (19/11/2007 at 12:51)
The Bobelesque (19/11/2007 at 12:57)
Fingers crossed that when they are fed up of the smoker obsession, they will start on fat people and boozers. This is a government that run out of anything worthwhile to say and do. Labour out as soon as possible.
alix, manchester (19/11/2007 at 13:16)
Mark,Radcliffe. (19/11/2007 at 13:20)