THE entire UK population and every visitor to the country should be on the national DNA database, a top judge has said.
Lord Justice Sedley told BBC News: "Where we are at the moment is indefensible.
"We have a situation where if you happen to have been in the hands of the police, then your DNA is on permanent record. If you haven't, it isn't... that's broadly the picture."
Sir Stephen Sedley said disproportionate numbers of ethnic minorities get on to the database where there is ethnic profiling going on.
He added: "It also means that a great many people who are walking the streets, and whose DNA would show them guilty of crimes, go free".
There are currently four million profiles held on the national DNA database.
Home Office Minister Tony McNulty told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I think we are broadly sympathetic to the thrust of what he has said. There is no Government plans to go to a compulsory database now or in the foreseeable future.
"There is a logic to what Sir Stephen is saying. I have said that myself in the past, that there is a real logic and cohesion to the point that says 'Well, put everybody on'.
Civil liberties
"But I think he probably does under-estimate the practicalities, logistics and huge civil liberties and ethics issue around that."
Sir Stephen, one of England's most experienced Appeal Court judges, said expanding the database to cover the whole population had "very serious but manageable implications".
He said everybody's DNA should be on file "for the absolutely rigorously restricted purpose of crime detection and prevention".
The UK's 12-year-old DNA database is the largest of any country, growing by 30,000 samples a month, which are taken from suspects or crime scenes.
According to the Home Office website, 5.2% of the UK population is on the database, compared with 0.5% in the US.
Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights organisation Liberty, said: "The DNA debate reveals just how casual some people have become about the value of personal privacy.
"A database of those convicted of sexual and violent crime is a perfectly sensible crimefighting measure.
"A database of every man, woman and child in the country is a chilling proposal, ripe for indignity, error and abuse."
A Home Office spokeswoman said: "The DNA database has revolutionised the way the police can protect the public through identifying offenders and securing more convictions. It provides the police on average with around 3,500 matches each month."
She said there are no Government plans to introduce a universal compulsory, or voluntary, national DNA database, but that the Home Office is currently undertaking a review of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (Pace) 1984, which sets out the powers to take and retain biometric data.
Proposals
She said: "Final proposals are due to be published in spring 2008 and will take account of the views received during the consultation as well as those of Lord Chief Justice Sedley.
"The aim of the review is to ensure proportionality and fairness by maintaining the important balance between the investigative needs of the police and the protection of the individual."
Sir Stephen, one of England's most experienced Appeal Court judges, said expanding the database to cover the whole population had "very serious but manageable implications".
He said everybody's DNA should be on file "for the absolutely rigorously restricted purpose of crime detection and prevention".
The UK's 12-year-old DNA database is the largest of any country, growing by 30,000 samples a month, which are taken from suspects or crime scenes.
According to the Home Office website, 5.2% of the UK population is on the database, compared with 0.5% in the US.
Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights organisation Liberty, said: "The DNA debate reveals just how casual some people have become about the value of personal privacy.
"A database of those convicted of sexual and violent crime is a perfectly sensible crimefighting measure.
"A database of every man, woman and child in the country is a chilling proposal, ripe for indignity, error and abuse."
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The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 10:00)
There is no argument for people's 'rights'. Keep you nose clean and you'll be ok.
Conversely, could this be the mark of the beast discussed in Revelations?
The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 10:39)
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 10:46)
the green mile, Manchester (05/09/2007 at 10:48)
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 10:48)
It saddens me that people here would want to give it all up in a second just to have some temporary security.
The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 10:53)
The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 10:54)
Chris, Irlam (05/09/2007 at 10:58)
Black Flag (05/09/2007 at 11:02)
I’m in partial agreement with the judge’s sentiments. The current system of a partial database in unacceptable. All records should be removed from the database, except for those convicted of a serious offence.
I commented on the Ian Brady thread that politicians should stick to making the law and leave the business of enforcing it to the judiciary. The reverse holds true here.
Batfink, Manchester (05/09/2007 at 11:08)
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 11:18)
Yes this country is becoming more under the control of your government and that is a BAD thing. The government is there to serve not to control - that flies in the face of Democracy.
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 11:18)
Mike, Manchester (05/09/2007 at 11:23)
Lisa Moore...Wilmslow...Cheshire (05/09/2007 at 11:33)
I fully oppose this idea as its against all our human rights and yes even criminals have human rights.
What would happen in the future if we find out that DNA is not as accurate as we first thought?
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 11:36)
marc (05/09/2007 at 12:11)
lisa, give it up. no one believes you're a real person.
i haven't got a problem with this idea. sod human rights -if it helps catch more rapists, paedos and murderers then its a good thing.
Ms D, Manchester (05/09/2007 at 13:25)
Blip, Manchester (05/09/2007 at 13:46)
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 14:00)
I ask because somewhere in your posts you seem to have made up that because I dont want a DNA database I somehow want rapists to get away with their evil deeds as you put it.
History shows such measures will be abused by those in power and us little people wont be able to do a thing about it.
Also a DNA database will be another gimmick like CCTV that catches criminals AFTER the crime is commited but does nothing to stop crime before it happens.
The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 14:08)
Ibso facto, extend the data, extend the solution.
Neil Armstrong. Talking live, from The Blue Moon. (05/09/2007 at 14:19)
a medical dna database of every uk citizen would be more acceptable if we have to have one.
come-on-city (05/09/2007 at 14:21)
As I say how reliable is it? What if something of yours was placed at crime scene, how would you argue it wasnt you if DNA evidence says you were there?
The Catcher, In the Rye (05/09/2007 at 14:30)
I think that if they had a fully comprehensive database, they would be more likely to catch the real crim and thus be less inclined to pick on anybody.
I do, however, acknowledge that it has the potential to be a total cock up in the hands of government.
Freedom Lover, Swinton (05/09/2007 at 14:51)
Grief Tourist, Audenshaw (05/09/2007 at 16:10)