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Vote 2010: Replay the final leaders' debate

Labour party leader Gordon Brown during the third and final leaders' General Election debate at the University of Birmingham

David Ottewell reviews the final leaders' debate:

Was this the moment David Cameron won the election? No. But it might be the moment Gordon Brown saw his last chance slip slowly and sadly away.

It wasn't about Bigot-gate. Mr Brown got that issue out of the way immediately, and it was not mentioned again. Having spent Wednesday apologising to 66-year-old Rochdale gran Gillian Duffy in person for calling her a 'bigoted woman' he offered a apology of sorts to British people as a whole.

“There’s a lot to this job,” said the prime minister. “As you saw yesterday, I do not get all of it right. But I do know how to run the economy in the good times and in the bad.”

And so on to the real topic of last night's debate - the economy. It might be the central issue of this campaign, but for the casual viewer - hoping for some last-act drama - it made for heavy going.

David Ottewell provided live coverage of the debate last night - click here to look back on it

Mr Brown portrayed himself as the man who saved the economy. Mr Cameron offered the prospect of lower taxes and less government waste.

Nick Clegg said he was the only leader who was being honest about the scale of cuts that were necessary. The prime minister was at his solid best; but he didn't dominate his rivals as he must have hoped.

It was only in the second half of the debate - the section with general questions - that things sparked into life. Nick Clegg came under fire from his rivals as never before. He was attacked over his tax plans. He was attacked over his support for the euro - although he said he would only join if conditions were right, and pending a referendum.

Most damagingly, perhaps, he was attacked over his plans for an amnesty for up to 600,000 illegal immigrants. His rivals smelt blood. Mr Brown - who could have been forgiven for wanting to avoid the topic altogether - said: "The Liberals are sending the mesage, come here illegally and we will let you stay."

Mr Clegg responded that Mr Brown and Mr Cameron had to 'get real and get with the way the world is.' But he lost a couple of rounds last night - and, more damagingly for him, came across as less substantial than his rivals for the first time. Mr Cameron, whose performances have steadily improved on each of his three appearances, rounded on Mr Brown as the debate drew towards a close.

“This is a prime minister with nothing left to say,” he jeered.

And that was the crux of it. Mr Brown had performed strongly on the economy. He defended his record with aplomb. But he didn't offer anything more than stability, and the British public seem to want change.

In the closing statements - the leaders last chance to leave an impression in the voters' minds - Mr Cameron said he believed Britain could 'do great things.'

“If you vote Labour, you get more of the same,” he said. “If you vote Lib Dem, you get uncertainty. A vote for us is the change that we need.”

Mr Clegg was even more messianic. “I want to build a fairer Britain,” he said. “Don't let anyone scare you from following your instincts. This is your election, this is your country. Together we can change Britain for good.”

And Mr Brown? This was perhaps his last chance to turn the tide of the election. He chose to raise the spectre of a Conservative government, or even a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition, cutting spending on key public services like education and policing. It was in some ways thematic of the campaign.

The prime minister - after 13 years of Labour government - fighting not on a positive vision for the future, but on the dangers of voting for his rivals. The curtain has now fallen on a fascinating experiment in democracy. On Thursday - barring some seizmic shift in the mood of the nation - it will fall on the government, too.

  • Research by YouGov found David Cameron had scored a decisive win, with 41 per cent saying he performed best compared to 32 pc for Nick Clegg. Gordon Brown was trailing on 25 pc.

    But a ComRes poll suggested the result had been much closer, putting Mr Cameron on 35 pc and 33 pc for Mr Clegg. Mr Brown was last again on 26 pc.

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    “There’s a lot to this job,” said the prime minister. “As you saw yesterday, I do not get all of it right. But I do know how to run the economy in the good times and in the bad.”

    I think he missed the letter 'i' out when he said 'run' the economy.

    Maybe that was Sue's fault too.

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    So here we go again-erosion of workers righs, YUPPIES,strikes,marches through Mancheser chanting 'Camy Camy Camy OUT OUT OUT !'. Seen it all before when Maggie ruined my opportunities as a young person of the 80's with YTS(free labor). Although Labor got immigration wrong and a few other things, they created vastly more opportunities for young people than I ever had under the Tories. At least they have a general purpose of representing the everyday man and woman. The Tories will just pop the champagne corks and serve themselves-NOT US.

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    Marquis de Sade et la petit monge tout (should be mange)

    What a lot of juvenile socialist tat. Your opinions are a joke. The Blessed Margaret Thatcher saved this country from the loony left who were at the time more or less running things. She did a wonderful job beating the Marxist Union Bully Boys into oblivion so that you could decide if you joined a union or not. When I was 'a young person' I had no choice but to pay towards the champagne lifestyles of the union leaders.

    Take a look at the lifestyles of the union and Labour party wallers before you naively poke fun at Tories.

    They're all in it for the glory - and the bubbly.

    Go and read some history, don't blame Thatcher for your own obvious lack of talent, go and vote for change. Vote Tory.

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    " Although Labor got immigration wrong and a few other things, they created vastly more opportunities for young people than I ever had under the Tories. Marquis de Sade et la petit monge tout, "

    yeh, they got a few other things wrong, like completely destroying the economy and leaving the country practically bankrupt (just like they did in the seventies), they allowed the banks to give cheap credit to anyone who could sign their name on a form, irrespective of ability to pay, just to fuel a consumer boom that has created the most selfish, materialistic and superficial nation in our history - a nation that is now saddled with the highest levels of personal debt in the West; they've abandoned the working classes and cosied up to the rich industrialists who were happy to keep funding the labour party so long as they got tax exemptions and peerages in return, thus kieeping labour in power. They turned their backs on the black working classes in particular and abandonded them to ghettos run by gangs but happily let anyone in who would work for less than the minimum wage pretty much condemning a whole generation to a life without work. They've promised to improve education but absenteeism, exclsuion and illiteracy are all at record levels. The list goes on.

    You keep fighting the class war while the rest of the world wakes up to the fact that labour have proved to be the biggest and most incompetent bunch of charlatans ever to run this country. The warning signs were there when public school and oxford educated tony blair ditched every single semblance of socialism from the labour party, re-branded it to get elected and clung on until the deckchairs were being re-arranged before jumping ship.

    "At least they have a general purpose of representing the everyday man and woman" - yeh, alan sugar gives 400 grand to the labour party and next thing he gets a peerage. Mandelson twice kicked out of office for dubious offences, comes back and gets a peerage. The labour party is obviously very much in touch with the concerns of the everyday man and woman. Just ask Gillian Duffy.

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    For more information of who pops champagne corks and serves himself with an eighteen million pound a year income, check this link

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00797/tony-blair-noel-gal_797417c.jpg

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    David Cameron wouldn't or couldn't give straight answers to last nights questions. As for the newspaper polls what else do you expect from Tory rags.

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    Go and read some history, don't blame Thatcher for your own obvious lack of talent, go and vote for change. Vote Tory.
    David Cameron's Lucky Pants, on the steps of No 10!
    30/04/2010 at 09:10

    You really are a buffoon. I would suggest you and your ilk remind yourselves of the complete and utter mess Lawson and Lamont got this country into, without the help of the USA.

    The economy is the most important aspect of the election, without a sound economy you can forget about the manifestos of all parties. Unlike some of the scare mongers on here I deal in facts. Although the Government, like all governments, get things wrong I am and have been far better off under labour than I was under the Conservatives. The current world recession was NOT created by Gordon Brown, it was set off by the USA and like all economical decisions made in the States the rest of the world feels the effects.

    This country is now coming out of the recession, with house prices, the economy and shares etc are all recovering. We have not got a clue what will happen under the other parties, but we can see that this government has got a handle on the economy.

    Do not be fooled by the TV debates, showboating and looking better than the opposition does not make for a reason to change.

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    Rattlesnakes: a very eloquent post. Excellent. Well done.

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    Sign, on the back of Rattlesnakes' car: 'My other paper is the Daily Mail.'

    If you really are in Dubai, try getting hold of some decent newspapers (Tip: they're available on the WWW), and stop believing what is printed in the trashy, Tory-supporting tabloids.

    Or, why not return, like I did, after years in Saudi, and help re-build this country - actually... don't, we have enough dafties already.

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    Marquis deSade

    You are as blind as Gordon Brune and all the rest of the dishonest idiots in the Labour Party.

    Go and ask all the hundreds of thousands of unemployed graduates with their pointless degrees where the opportunities under a Labour Government are, just what are you talking about.

    As for unemployment under Thatcher at least we saw the real figures instead of the current massaged figures that do not reflect the millions who are on benefit that being'incapacity benefit' that don't count in the figures.

    The whole point is that whilst Labour still try and make out they 'represent' the people, in reality they do not, they didn't bail out the people they bailed out the banks.

    New Labours brand of socialism has completely and utterly failed, inequality has increased, poverty has increased, the gap between the haves and have nots has got wider, educational standards have fallen, exams have got easier and become meaningless and this government have created endless legislation which results in old ladies wearing electronic tags for selling Goldfish to 15 year olds in council sting operations.

    'The Good Old Days'??!! - Give me a break

    The Party is well and truly 'over'

    Anything but Brown, Mandelson, Balls, Blears and Harman

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    as chancellor or prime minister you have never got things right gordon!

    all your party did in 1997 was ride the wave of changes that the tory's had implimented when they where in power.

    the only thing labour have been any good at is encouraging borrwing, increasing national debt and funding the lazy, boneidle and irresponsible.

    thats why we're billions in debt, thats why we've got massive unemployment, thats why we have massive teenage pregnancy rates, that why our nhs and education system are at bursting point.

    only the trories has addressed these problems. and they will be the only ones to do this.

    vote for anyone else and its wasted. and will only allow labour back into power yet again.

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    Least he admits he doesn't get it right all the time , none of them do - but they don't all admit it, ( they are human ) , and in the end , none of them really care other than getting through the door of No.10 , give em all a pay cut , cut all the perks , and see how many leave ..... I say vote for my party - i got jelly and ice cream - and lucky bags :)

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    I like what the Marquis said. I sticking with Gordon, he put on a good show, with Nick Clegg coming second.

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    It's David Cameron's close pal & perhaps future Conservative leader Boris Johnson, who has been calling for "an amnesty" for illegal immigrants, but the media are allowing David Cameron "to dodge" this fact.
    And it's David Cameron's big business buddies who have been calling for more immigrant workers, simply to keep wages down. But yet again the media in this country just won't tackle David Cameron over these facts, preferring to attack only Nick Clegg.

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    Because " I believe" the local press in the Greater Manchester area ie Cannel M/ Guardian/MEN/Advertisers etc have been biased towards Labour over recent years,it may be interesting to see how
    the Greater Manchester Media will respond after the GE.
    Whilst impartiality,objectivity and non partisan objectives would be a valuable aid to democracy
    which should be the aim,the influence of the media over the Electorate is a seemingly "in my opinion" a well capable of influencing the public.
    Why should Alex Ferguson as an examples have is rhetoric displayed all over the local media,is it hoped he would influence many thousands of MU supporters to vote Labour,and by offering him
    media coverage surely shows an influencial bias towards promoting Labour by stealth.
    Murdoch knows the power of the media and has/is using it,are we to believe the Greater Manchester Media region is devoid of having supportive influences utilised.
    Should I be as an Ex Labour Voter critical of my MP with valid reasons supplied,the door slams shut,but yet we have seen Reporters,Columnists,Spin Doctors,TV personalities,dominating the UK media every minute of each day being critical of Politicians by naming individual Politicians,we the
    hundreds of thousands of "Gillians"made to be "silent nothings" in the media, regarding our futures
    are excluded deliberately from mentioning our MP`s failures,which proves my point that the media is a free agent to produce whatever,whilst we sit watching our democracy decline.
    We are being led by the nose as to who desearves our vote,and thats my opinion which I am entitled to hold,but will it get posted ???



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    Well said Rattlesnakes - spot on. Give my regards to Dubai too - lived there for 7 years '77 to '84 - left UK for Middle east when the last bunch of labour idiots had wrecked the country & any individuals chance of carving out a good life. if I was younger, i would have been gone again to get awy from Bliar / Browns muppet show.

    Spot on Realist too.

    Brown has delusions of grandeur - he still doesn't get the truth does he :- "But I do know how to run the economy in the good times and in the bad.” He's absolutely bloody clueless on that front and it's clear it will never enter that thick skull of his that he IS the PROBLEM.

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    Laura: other than your usual not very subtle brag (I used to live in Saudi) what do you contribute to these sites these days? Seems like just childish, cheap pots. Grow up dear and take the defeat on the chin.

    My oh my, hasn't it all gone wrong so quickly? Last summer you were riding high but now look, a party in total disarray behind an unelected rude person who thinks people with an opinion are bigots.

    Ha di ha di ha ha nur nur di nur nur.

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    Laura Norder, Didsbury
    30/04/2010 at 10:36

    I am a conservative voter but the Daily Mail is a disgrace and an embarrasment - I wouldnt wipe my backside with it.

    I am in Dubai and other Gulf states frequently through work but sadly I live in this country. Before you jump on that, I would love to leave but my family and business is established here and it's not possible without a major lottery win.

    I don't need to read online newspapers or avoid bigoted rags like the Mail, I can see, hear, smell and feel first hand what has happened to this country under labour in the last 13 years - and it's criminal. The country is in a state of social anarchy, mired in an economic mess of unprecedented proportions and unnecessarily threatened by terrorism because of its illegal war. I hold Blair, Brown, Mandelson and all the other scumbags responsible for this.

    You talk about re-building this country - perhaps that is some recognition on your part that my assertion its in ruins is valid.

    I left home with very modest qualifactions and found work in the City of London just as Thatcher took it out of the control of the 'connected and the privileged classes' and opened it up as a meritocracy so people who had the talent, ambition and wit could succeed, irrespective of where they came from, what colour their skin was or who their daddy knew.

    Thirty years on, I have something to show for it, part of which I know when I die I can pass on to my kids so that they will have a better start than I had. But Brown would deny me that, take the fruits of my efforts off my kids where it should rightfully go and hand it to the scroungers and wasters who have no interest to work.

    She did many things wrong but the opportunities Thatcher brought have helped me and millions since. These are the opportunites that someone else on this thread choses not to see.

    Better, in my opinion, to open society up to people who have ambition, talent, passion and a desire to achieve than remove all motivation from the system and simply consign everyone to the dustbin of underclass then let them rot on benefits, as this government has done. Thats the difference between labour and conservative.

    I come home to Manchester and I see a much more prosperous and aspirational city. To me, this is the Thatcher legacy. People who aspire to do better than their parents, to learn, go where the work is, start their own business, put something back into society, to achieve something for themselves.

    When you read the labour supporters on this board, its the same old thing: bleat on about 'bankers' even though they have no clue what 'bankers' they are talking about or what the bankers did or didnt do; tax 'the rich' - better to point a finger of blame on someone on fifty grand a year who has actually achieved something with their lives than admit if you were more talented or willing or focused, you too might have acheived the same. Always better to drag someone else down than look in the mirror and recognise where the true failure lies - thats what labour is about.

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    The People's Prosecutor, Manchester
    30/04/2010 at 10:28

    My recollection is that Lamont's policy was to shadow the ERM, against Thatcher's instinct and direction but, as the European issue threatened to and ultimately did 'do' for her, she went along with it to keep her government stable.

    The fact it all fell apart shows she was right on this one, so your allusion is misguided in my opinion.

    What the incompetent Lamont lost on propping up the pound was very small beer to what Brown lost flogging the nations gold reserves alone.

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    Mark, South Manchester

    Cameron cannot stand Boris. There's more chance of Clegg becoming conservative leader than boris johnston.

    Boris is history already.

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    Marquis de Sade the little green been.says it all he is green.look around you ,look at fuel costs alone,they make everything cost the working class more.Labour must be trying to make us the walking class.they have used their education policys to dumb the working class down,they have even created a new class "THE NON WORKING CLASS".you didnt have to take a YTS and alot of people have done well from it,my own brother from a working class background owns a company with a turn over in the millions.you also forget the era ,a country strangeled by unions destroying trade and making our country less and less competertive by the day whilst enjoying their own wealth and self imposed importance(Scargill went on to make millions on the back of his so called millitant socialist views (has he really shared his gains???).the country needed change and Thatcher was strong willed enough to make it,when Labour came into power they did so only because conned people into thinking we needed change .they then sat back on their laurals and lived off the feel good factor of tory policy for a number of years before meddeling,due to time for new election,this is when it went wrong.new policys,and later rebranding of said policys,lack of knowledge hence the need for outside agencys and spin doctors.self interest(cherie blaire a prime example specialises in human rights by the way)chancellor who knew his job so well sold all our gold just weeks if not less before it would have been worth billions not millions more(can see why you think he would make a great primeminister) .it would take pages and pages to say all that has been done wrong but look who has gained most ,the kinnocks multi millionaires the blairs ,tony rakes in millions a year let alone his wife,now gordon will get his chance when he is voted out,and can you really call these working class people???labour uses class as an instrument to rule the ignorant.Cameron however talks about the people because in a modern society you make your own class....

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    I must be mad, I watched last night and came away thinking Brown had flattened the others. He had facts and figures and demonstrated what labour were already doing for toddlers, kids, healthcare etc. David on the otherhand refused like an arogant Toff to answer why he wants to take money from low paid families and give it to the richest 3000 people and yet none of the papers seem to have picked this up.

    I watched the three debates thinking dave would win me over but all he seemed to do was push me towards Gordon which I really didn't want because of the con tax. Now I am in a rigt quandry. I can't do libs as they will let every criminal out of jail tomorrow but I just don't want to do labour again and David showed after three episodes that he has nothing but empty soundbites. But if that wins elections then good for him.

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    The People's Prosecutor: "This country is now coming out of the recession, with house prices, the economy and shares etc are all recovering."

    Why do you talk about houses becoming more expensive as if it's a good thing?

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    (Give my regards to Dubai too - lived there for 7 years '77 to '84 - left UK for Middle east when the last bunch of labour idiots had wrecked the country & any individuals chance of carving out a good life)

    I'll stick by the UK. I like my countries to be moderate and fair with equality in law for all.


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    Vote Tory - get this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc

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